1Franklin Wilder122 lbLEdgar Morales54.87715/110/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 4.8
- Middle
- 4.7
- Finish
- 7.6
- Post draw
- 12.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.8
- Career best · average
- 40.0 · 42.0
- Class, average · last
- 77 · 75
- Power
- 49.6 · 8th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $976.57
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Edgar Morales
- Trainer
- Helen Pitts 3/14
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 32d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 30 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 10 | 31.0 | Mario Gutierrez | 122 |
| Sat 28 Jun | BELTERRA PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Ferrin Peterson | 121 |
| Thu 19 Jun | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Gavin Ashton | 120 |
| Sun 1 Jun | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 6 | 36.0 | Jaime Torres | 118 |
| Sat 7 Dec | TURFWAY PARK | 6 Furlongs · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 9 | 40.0 | Gavin Ashton | 119 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
2Sig Forty Five122 lbLWalter Rodriguez51.2615/14/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 4.5
- Middle
- 4.5
- Finish
- 5.2
- Post draw
- 8.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 51.2
- Career best · average
- — · 36.0
- Class, average · last
- 61 · 69
- Power
- 44.5 · 11th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $1,709.36
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Walter Rodriguez
- Trainer
- Eric Foster 4/14
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 52d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mon 10 Nov | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 6 | 420.0 | Samuel Bermudez | 122 |
| Wed 8 Oct | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 2 | 620.0 | Samuel Bermudez | 122 |
| Wed 18 Jun | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 7 | 250.0 | Santo Sanjur | 120 |
| Tue 27 May | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Santo Sanjur | 120 |
| Thu 17 Oct | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 410.0 | Deshawn Parker | 122 |
| Mon 30 Sep | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 2 | 480.0 | Deshawn Parker | 120 |
| Fri 6 Sep | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 6 | 120.0 | Samuel Bermudez | 120 |
| Mon 29 Jul | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 8 | 240.0 | Samuel Bermudez | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
3Mubarez122 lbLLuan Machado52.1774/120/3
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.1
- Middle
- 4.0
- Finish
- 6.0
- Post draw
- 11.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.1
- Career best · average
- 66.0 · 57.0
- Class, average · last
- 77 · 75
- Power
- 66.6 · 2nd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Luan Machado
- Trainer
- Mark Simms, Jr. 1/6
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 32d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 30 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 5 | 570.0 | Abel Cedillo | 122 |
| Wed 12 Nov | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 3 | 540.0 | Abel Cedillo | 122 |
| Sun 28 Sep | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 600.0 | Axel Concepcion | 121 |
| Tue 29 Apr | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Gabriel Saez | 118 |
| Fri 7 Mar | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 10 | 430.0 | Albin Jimenez | 120 |
| Sun 23 Feb | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Abel Cedillo | 120 |
| Wed 19 Feb | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · Synthetic | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Abel Cedillo | 120 |
| Wed 15 Jan | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 5 | 570.0 | Adam Beschizza | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
4The Exodus Twist122 lbLGabriel Saez53.7905/211/9
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.2
- Middle
- 5.7
- Finish
- 6.7
- Post draw
- 10.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.7
- Career best · average
- 88.0 · 61.0
- Class, average · last
- 90 · 88
- Power
- 79.4 · 1st in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 1-1-0
- Wins
- 25.0%
- Earnings
- $37,353
- Per start
- $4,669.13
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Gabriel Saez
- Trainer
- Joe Sharp 6/13
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 36d
4yo · Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed 26 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 11 | 50.0 | Jane Elliott | 122 |
| Thu 30 Oct | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 6 | 44.0 | Jane Elliott | 120 |
| Sat 13 Sep | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 87.0 | Jane Elliott | 121 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
5Rag Tree122 lbLJulio Felix53.4776/110/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 7.6
- Middle
- 6.9
- Finish
- 6.9
- Post draw
- 13.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.4
- Career best · average
- 34.0 · 59.0
- Class, average · last
- 77 · 72
- Power
- 52.6 · 6th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 1-0-1
- Wins
- 25.0%
- Earnings
- $39,068
- Per start
- $2,170.44
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Julio Felix
- Trainer
- Brittany Vanden Berg 1/10
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 50d
4yo · Colt · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed 12 Nov | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 4 | 53.0 | Christopher Emigh | 122 |
| Wed 22 Oct | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 6 | 69.0 | Christopher Emigh | 122 |
| Tue 9 Sep | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 5 | 58.0 | Christopher Emigh | 120 |
| Mon 25 Aug | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 7 | 32.0 | Christopher Emigh | 122 |
| Sat 5 Oct | KEENELAND | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 11 | 61.0 | Francisco Arrieta | 119 |
| Fri 4 Oct | KEENELAND | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Francisco Arrieta | 119 |
| Thu 5 Sep | KENTUCKY DOWNS | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 6 | 65.0 | Francisco Arrieta | 119 |
| Sat 10 Aug | ELLIS PARK | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Optional Claiming | 2 | 68.0 | Francisco Arrieta | 119 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
6Scoville122 lbLAntioco Murgia54.86815/140/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.3
- Middle
- 6.2
- Finish
- 6.7
- Post draw
- 11.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.8
- Career best · average
- 48.0 · 48.0
- Class, average · last
- 68 · 72
- Power
- 55.8 · 4th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Antioco Murgia
- Trainer
- Kara McGuire 3/11
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 71d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed 22 Oct | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 8 | 640.0 | Jane Elliott | 122 |
| Tue 7 Oct | BELTERRA PARK | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Sophie Doyle | 121 |
| Fri 26 Sep | BELTERRA PARK | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Antioco Murgia | 121 |
| Thu 11 Sep | BELTERRA PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 2 | 580.0 | Antioco Murgia | 121 |
| Thu 28 Aug | BELTERRA PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 2 | 570.0 | Antioco Murgia | 121 |
| Fri 15 Aug | BELTERRA PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 8 | 580.0 | Jane Elliott | 121 |
| Fri 4 Jul | BELTERRA PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 6 | 400.0 | Agustin Gomez | 121 |
| Sat 8 Mar | TURFWAY PARK | 6 Furlongs · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 5 | 340.0 | Gabriel Saez | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
7Blakely's Boy122 lbAlexander Bendezu52.07320/120
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 8.6
- Middle
- 8.1
- Finish
- 6.1
- Post draw
- 11.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.0
- Career best · average
- 61.0 · 50.0
- Class, average · last
- 73 · 63
- Power
- 48.9 · 9th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $637
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Alexander Bendezu
- Trainer
- Amy Nesbitt 1/12
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 52d
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mon 10 Nov | MAHONING VALLEY RACE COURSE | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 3 | 50.0 | Alexander Bendezu | 124 |
| Sun 28 Sep | HAWTHORNE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 6 | 34.0 | Alvin Ortiz | — |
| Thu 21 Aug | HAWTHORNE | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 5 | 28.0 | Carlos Ulloa | — |
| Sat 26 Jul | FAIRMOUNT PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 4 | 48.0 | Javier Tavares | — |
| Sun 13 Jul | ELLIS PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 6 | 63.0 | Harold Ortega | 118 |
| Thu 27 Mar | TURFWAY PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 6 | 58.0 | Santo Sanjur | 120 |
| Fri 7 Mar | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 61.0 | Alexander Bendezu | 120 |
| Fri 21 Feb | TURFWAY PARK | 6 1/2 Furlongs · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 48.0 | Alexander Bendezu | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
8Ground Shaker122 lbLFernando De La Cruz53.27515/18/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.6
- Middle
- 5.4
- Finish
- 4.8
- Post draw
- 10.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.2
- Career best · average
- 71.0 · 60.0
- Class, average · last
- 75 · 66
- Power
- 63.9 · 3rd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Fernando De La Cruz
- Trainer
- E. McVicker
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 93d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tue 30 Sep | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 2 | 42.0 | Sophie Doyle | 120 |
| Mon 22 Sep | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Sophie Doyle | 120 |
| Thu 28 Aug | BELTERRA PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 3 | 57.0 | Jann Hernandez | 121 |
| Tue 19 Aug | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Sophie Doyle | — |
| Sat 9 Aug | ELLIS PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 3 | 61.0 | Carlos Barbosa | — |
| Sat 26 Jul | ELLIS PARK | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 61.0 | Sophie Doyle | 119 |
| Wed 23 Jul | BELTERRA PARK | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Sergio Figueroa | 121 |
| Thu 19 Jun | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 4 | 49.0 | Jann Hernandez | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
9Max n' Lou122 lbLOscar Villarreal55.58112/147/2
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.5
- Middle
- 5.8
- Finish
- 6.7
- Post draw
- 6.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 55.5
- Career best · average
- — · 61.0
- Class, average · last
- 81 · 61
- Power
- 47.1 · 10th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 0-1-1
- Wins
- 0.0%
- Earnings
- $7,901
- Per start
- $877.89
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Oscar Villarreal
- Trainer
- Michael Ewing 0/12
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 91d
4yo · Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed 12 Nov | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Oscar Villarreal | 122 |
| Thu 2 Oct | BELTERRA PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 5 | 48.0 | Oscar Villarreal | 121 |
| Sun 16 Feb | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 42.0 | Hector Berrios | 122 |
| Fri 3 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 710.0 | Welfin Orantes | 116 |
| Sun 1 Dec | DEL MAR | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 8 | 820.0 | Jose Valdivia, Jr. | — |
| Sun 13 Oct | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 6 | 64.0 | Jose Valdivia, Jr. | 122 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
11Atomic Snow122 lbLAndres Calleja55.87020/187/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 4.2
- Middle
- 5.5
- Finish
- 7.9
- Post draw
- 7.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 55.8
- Career best · average
- 24.0 · 34.0
- Class, average · last
- 70 · 72
- Power
- 40.0 · 12th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $270
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Andres Calleja
- Trainer
- Guber Gorostieta 1/2
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 50d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed 12 Nov | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 6 | 17.0 | Sergio Figueroa | 122 |
| Thu 2 Oct | BELTERRA PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 36.0 | Sergio Figueroa | 121 |
| Thu 18 Sep | BELTERRA PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 8 | 44.0 | Sergio Figueroa | 121 |
| Tue 2 Sep | BELTERRA PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 42.0 | Sergio Figueroa | 121 |
| Sun 13 Jul | ELLIS PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 5 | 43.0 | Carlos Barbosa | 119 |
| Thu 26 Jun | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 11 | 33.0 | Felix Astudillo | 113 |
| Thu 19 Jun | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Felix Astudillo | 113 |
| Wed 18 Jun | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Felix Astudillo | 113 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
12Prince Lancelot122 lbLAlex Achard52.06620/141/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 7.6
- Middle
- 6.2
- Finish
- 6.4
- Post draw
- 8.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.0
- Career best · average
- — · 43.0
- Class, average · last
- 66 · 74
- Power
- 38.5 · 13th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Alex Achard
- Trainer
- Karyn Wittek 6/28
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 86d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tue 7 Oct | BELTERRA PARK | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 6 | 36.0 | Julio Felix | 121 |
| Wed 16 Apr | TAMPA BAY | 1 mile 40 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 6 | 57.0 | Pedro Cotto, Jr. | — |
| Fri 28 Mar | TAMPA BAY | 1 mile 40 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 4 | 37.0 | Pedro Cotto, Jr. | 120 |
| Sat 15 Feb | TAMPA BAY | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 35.0 | Sara Hess | 113 |
| Wed 29 Jan | TAMPA BAY | 1 mile 40 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 5 | 54.0 | Jose Ferrer | 120 |
| Wed 15 Jan | TAMPA BAY | 1 mile 40 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 4 | 52.0 | Jose Ferrer | 120 |
| Wed 27 Nov | TAMPA BAY | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 8 | 51.0 | Jose Ferrer | 119 |
| Sun 10 Nov | GULFSTREAM PARK | 1 Mile 70 Yards · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 9 | 35.0 | Jose Ferrer | 118 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
13Somerset Star112 lbJose Gutierrez—5520/120
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 4.9
- Middle
- 8.3
- Finish
- 8.3
- Post draw
- 7.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- 55 · 55
- Power
- 27.6 · 14th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Jose Gutierrez
- Trainer
- Tomas Medina 2/9
- Weight · days off
- 112 · 50d
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed 12 Nov | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 10 | not run | Alberto Burgos | 122 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate