Sports from the Basement

Result

official

Horse	Win	Place	Show
13Bel Aria	$10.64	$6.20	$3.82
211Danseur d'Oro	—	$4.76	$3.52
310You're Avoiding Me	—	—	$3.60

Pool	Finish	On	Paid
Exacta	3-11	—	$27.29
Trifecta	3-11-10	—	$66.67
Superfecta	3-11-10-7	—	$87.91

HorsePaceSpeedClassEVWinMLLive odds

Bel Aria——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $837.49

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Bel Aria.

Vow——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $380

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Vow.

Sister Kisses——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 11: 3-1-2
Wins: 27.3%
Earnings: $109,644
Per start: $9,967.64

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Sister Kisses.

Fracing Nasty——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $1,980.83

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Fracing Nasty.

Sister Kisses——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $601.76

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Sister Kisses.

You're Avoiding Me——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for You're Avoiding Me.

Bel Aria——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 4: 0-1-0
Wins: 0.0%
Earnings: $2,091
Per start: $522.75

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Filly

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Bel Aria.

Bel Aria——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $7,549.83

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Bel Aria.

Vow——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 1: 0-0-0
Wins: 0.0%
Earnings: $330
Per start: $330

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Filly

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Vow.

1Moon Magic Chrissyscratched—————8/1—

2Miss Foxann120 lbLThiago Canuto56.0738/138/1

Probability

Pace

Early: 5.5
Middle: 4.8
Finish: 4.1
Post draw: 6.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 56.0
Career best · average: 79.0 · 65.0
Class, average · last: 73 · 84
Power: 66.8 · 10th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $3,337.34

Connections and form

Jockey: Thiago Canuto
Trainer: Manuel Chavez 0/2
Weight · days off: 120 · 27d

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Wed 8 Nov	CHURCHILL DOWNS	6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt	Claiming	5	78.0	Isaias Ayala	—
Wed 1 Nov	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt	Allowance Optional Claiming	—	not run	Frank Reyes	122
Sun 15 Oct	KEENELAND	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Claiming	3	60.0	Isaias Ayala	123
Fri 29 Sep	BELTERRA PARK	5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt	Claiming	1	72.0	Isaias Ayala	123
Thu 31 Aug	BELTERRA PARK	5 Furlongs · Turf	Claiming	3	63.0	Isaias Ayala	—
Fri 25 Aug	BELTERRA PARK	5 Furlongs · Turf	Claiming	—	not run	Isaias Ayala	—
Fri 11 Aug	BELTERRA PARK	5 Furlongs · Turf	Claiming	—	not run	Isaias Ayala	122
Sat 5 Aug	SARATOGA	1 1/8 Miles · Dirt	Whitney S.	1	1210.0	—	—

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

3Bel Aria120 lbLFernando De La Cruz54.28710/113/3

Probability

Pace

Early: 5.8
Middle: 5.1
Finish: 5.3
Post draw: 13.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 54.2
Career best · average: 88.0 · 71.0
Class, average · last: 87 · 82
Power: 79.8 · 1st in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $3,278.81

Connections and form

Jockey: Fernando De La Cruz
Trainer: Eric Foster 1/6
Weight · days off: 120 · 56d

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Sun 3 Dec	GULFSTREAM PARK	1 Mile 70 Yards · All Weather Track	Claiming	7	680.0	—	—
Thu 30 Nov	TURFWAY PARK	6 1/2 Furlongs · All Weather Track	Allowance	—	not run	Fernando De La Cruz	120
Sat 28 Oct	GULFSTREAM PARK	5 Furlongs · All Weather Track	Claiming	8	560.0	—	—
Tue 10 Oct	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	1 Mile · Turf	Starter Allowance	4	76.0	Fernando De La Cruz	122
Wed 13 Sep	KENTUCKY DOWNS	7 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	8	84.0	Walter Rodriguez	121
Mon 28 Aug	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	1 Mile · Turf	Starter Allowance	3	79.0	Walter Rodriguez	—
Thu 24 Aug	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	1 Mile · Turf	Starter Allowance	—	not run	Walter Rodriguez	—
Sat 22 Jul	ELLIS PARK	1 Mile · Turf	Starter Allowance	7	85.0	Gerardo Corrales	123

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

4Sister Kisses118 lbLAlbin Jimenez55.47615/146/5

Probability

Pace

Early: 4.3
Middle: 4.3
Finish: 3.7
Post draw: 13.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 55.4
Career best · average: 79.0 · 67.0
Class, average · last: 76 · 88
Power: 68.4 · 9th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 16: 4-4-3
Wins: 25.0%
Earnings: $205,541
Per start: $12,846.31

Connections and form

Jockey: Albin Jimenez
Trainer: Genaro Garcia
Weight · days off: 118 · 12d

Filly · L

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Thu 23 Nov	CHURCHILL DOWNS	7 Furlongs · Dirt	Starter Allowance	8	480.0	Gerardo Corrales	—
Sun 15 Oct	LOS ALAMITOS QUARTER HORSE	400 Yards · Dirt	Trials	5	700.0	—	—
Sun 24 Sep	CHURCHILL DOWNS	6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt	Claiming	3	650.0	Francisco Arrieta	120
Mon 4 Sep	HAWTHORNE	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Claiming	1	810.0	Julio Felix	118
Sun 3 Sep	RUIDOSO DOWNS	440 Yards · Dirt	Derby	1	1030.0	—	—
Sun 13 Aug	RUIDOSO DOWNS	440 Yards · Dirt	Trials	1	970.0	—	—
Fri 11 Aug	ELLIS PARK	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Claiming	1	800.0	Francisco Arrieta	—
Sun 2 Jul	RUIDOSO DOWNS	440 Yards · Dirt	Trials	3	870.0	—	—

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

5Fracing Nasty198d off120 lbLJohn McKee54.1758/118/1

Probability

Pace

Early: 1.8
Middle: 1.8
Finish: 2.7
Post draw: 12.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 54.1
Career best · average: 76.0 · 67.0
Class, average · last: 75 · 65
Power: 59.9 · 12th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 17: 2-2-4
Wins: 11.8%
Earnings: $75,689
Per start: $4,452.29

Connections and form

Jockey: John McKee
Trainer: Eric Reed 11/111
Weight · days off: 120 · 198d

Mare · L

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Wed 28 Jun	MOUNTAINEER	5 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	—	not run	Alex Gonzalez	120
Sun 21 May	MOUNTAINEER	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Allowance	1	660.0	Alex Gonzalez	120
Fri 28 Apr	BELTERRA PARK	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Allowance	3	590.0	Julio Felix	123
Mon 13 Mar	MAHONING VALLEY RACE COURSE	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Allowance	3	770.0	Alex Gonzalez	—
Wed 22 Feb	MAHONING VALLEY RACE COURSE	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Allowance	—	not run	Gabriel Lagunes	—
Thu 19 Jan	FAIR GROUNDS	About 1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Allowance	1	870.0	—	—
Thu 19 Jan	MAHONING VALLEY RACE COURSE	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Allowance	2	650.0	—	—
Fri 25 Nov	HAWTHORNE	1 Mile · Turf	Allowance	2	900.0	—	—

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

6Vow120 lbLWalter Rodriguez55.2815/127/5

Probability

Pace

Early: 4.1
Middle: 3.9
Finish: 3.7
Post draw: 14.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 55.2
Career best · average: 84.0 · 74.0
Class, average · last: 81 · 84
Power: 75.5 · 3rd in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: Walter Rodriguez
Trainer: Steven Asmussen 7/31
Weight · days off: 120 · 27d

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Wed 8 Nov	CHURCHILL DOWNS	6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt	Claiming	8	710.0	Cristian Torres	—
Mon 18 Sep	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Allowance	2	710.0	Keith Asmussen	122
Tue 1 Aug	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Allowance Optional Claiming	5	650.0	Joseph Ramos	124
Sat 22 Jul	SARATOGA	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	7	420.0	—	—
Thu 6 Jul	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Allowance	1	770.0	Joseph Ramos	122
Mon 29 May	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	1	840.0	Joseph Ramos	124
Thu 4 May	OAKLAWN PARK	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	3	690.0	Isaac Castillo	125
Fri 3 Mar	OAKLAWN PARK	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	4	670.0	Isaac Castillo	125

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

7Broadway Blaze313d off120 lbLJoseph Talamo55.98510/120/3

Probability

Pace

Early: 3.4
Middle: 2.9
Finish: 4.7
Post draw: 14.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 55.9
Career best · average: 84.0 · 76.0
Class, average · last: 85 · 92
Power: 76.9 · 2nd in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: Joseph Talamo
Trainer: Helen Pitts 2/5
Weight · days off: 120 · 313d

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Thu 26 Jan	TURFWAY PARK	6 Furlongs · All Weather Track	Allowance	10	800.0	—	—
Thu 15 Dec	TURFWAY PARK	6 Furlongs · All Weather Track	Allowance Optional Claiming	4	840.0	—	—
Tue 25 Oct	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	5 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	1	830.0	—	—
Fri 9 Sep	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	5 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	4	640.0	Marcelino Pedroza, Jr.	—
Fri 19 Aug	ELLIS PARK	5 1/2 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	5	710.0	—	—
Mon 11 Jul	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	5 Furlongs · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	1	760.0	Marcelino Pedroza, Jr.	120
Sat 18 Jun	CHURCHILL DOWNS	5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	4	750.0	—	—
Sat 21 May	CHURCHILL DOWNS	5 1/2 Furlongs · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	4	830.0	—	—

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

8Rum Runner Ready118 lbLJoseph Ramos56.0786/18/1

Probability

Pace

Early: 2.9
Middle: 3.3
Finish: 5.7
Post draw: 7.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 56.0
Career best · average: 56.0 · 62.0
Class, average · last: 78 · 98
Power: 70.7 · 8th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $6,113.50

Connections and form

Jockey: Joseph Ramos
Trainer: Michael Maker 11/39
Weight · days off: 118 · 65d

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Sun 1 Oct	CHURCHILL DOWNS	5 1/2 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	8	660.0	Tyler Gaffalione	118
Wed 16 Aug	SARATOGA	5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt	Starter Allowance	—	not run	Trevor McCarthy	120
Sat 17 Jun	BELMONT PARK	6 Furlongs · Inner turf	Claiming	1	790.0	Trevor McCarthy	120
Thu 18 May	BELMONT PARK	7 Furlongs · Turf	Starter Allowance	6	740.0	Trevor McCarthy	120
Sun 16 Apr	AQUEDUCT	6 Furlongs · Outer turf	Maiden Claiming	1	760.0	Trevor McCarthy	—
Wed 15 Feb	TURFWAY PARK	6 1/2 Furlongs · All Weather Track	Maiden Special Weight	8	580.0	Julio Felix	120
Thu 29 Dec	TURFWAY PARK	1 Mile · All Weather Track	Maiden Special Weight	5	670.0	—	—
Wed 30 Nov	TURFWAY PARK	1 Mile · All Weather Track	Maiden Special Weight	2	710.0	—	—

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

9Juradicialscratched—————10/1—

10You're Avoiding Me120 lbLColby Hernandez56.78010/131/6

Probability

Pace

Early: 4.1
Middle: 3.6
Finish: 3.7
Post draw: 16.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 56.7
Career best · average: 79.0 · 68.0
Class, average · last: 80 · 83
Power: 71.3 · 6th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $8,122.08

Connections and form

Jockey: Colby Hernandez
Trainer: Michael Tomlinson 2/22
Weight · days off: 120 · 55d

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Sun 15 Oct	KEENELAND	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Claiming	—	not run	Colby Hernandez	121
Wed 11 Oct	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	5 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	3	740.0	Colby Hernandez	122
Thu 7 Sep	COLONIAL DOWNS	5 1/2 Furlongs · Outer turf	Claiming	1	690.0	Colby Hernandez	—
Sat 5 Aug	COLONIAL DOWNS	5 1/2 Furlongs · Outer turf	Claiming	3	760.0	Colby Hernandez	—
Fri 14 Jul	COLONIAL DOWNS	5 1/2 Furlongs · Outer turf	Claiming	3	730.0	Colby Hernandez	—
Sun 2 Jul	ELLIS PARK	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Claiming	—	not run	Colby Hernandez	123
Sat 20 May	CHURCHILL DOWNS	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Claiming	3	790.0	Joseph Rocco, Jr.	123
Thu 27 Apr	KEENELAND	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Claiming	—	not run	Joseph Rocco, Jr.	124

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

11Danseur d'Oro118 lbLGerardo Corrales53.1794/137/12

Probability

Pace

Early: 3.2
Middle: 3.2
Finish: 4.1
Post draw: 3.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 53.1
Career best · average: 78.0 · 63.0
Class, average · last: 79 · 79
Power: 62.6 · 11th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 22: 7-5-3
Wins: 31.8%
Earnings: $167,921
Per start: $7,632.77

Connections and form

Jockey: Gerardo Corrales
Trainer: William Morey 14/49
Weight · days off: 118 · 72d

Filly · L

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Sun 8 Oct	GULFSTREAM PARK	1 Mile 70 Yards · All Weather Track	Maiden Special Weight	7	510.0	—	—
Sun 24 Sep	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Claiming	3	660.0	Jose Ortiz	120
Sun 27 Aug	SARATOGA	5 1/2 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	8	710.0	Florent Geroux	120
Wed 26 Jul	SARATOGA	1 1/8 Miles · Dirt	Allowance	6	510.0	Reylu Gutierrez	120
Mon 10 Jul	FINGER LAKES	1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt	Allowance	1	680.0	Reylu Gutierrez	120
Thu 15 Jun	BELMONT PARK	7 Furlongs · Dirt	Allowance	6	560.0	Flavien Prat	120
Sun 21 May	BELMONT PARK	7 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	1	760.0	Flavien Prat	118
Sat 29 Apr	AQUEDUCT	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	2	760.0	Flavien Prat	—

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

12Mornin' Boss118 lbLYarmarie Correa57.08915/124/1

Probability

Pace

Early: 3.4
Middle: 3.7
Finish: 6.4
Post draw: 21.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 57.0
Career best · average: 44.0 · 74.0
Class, average · last: 89 · 83
Power: 75.0 · 4th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: Yarmarie Correa
Trainer: Rey Hernandez 1/4
Weight · days off: 118 · 63d

Mare · L

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Sun 19 Nov	CHURCHILL DOWNS	5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt	Allowance	—	not run	Yarmarie Correa	—
Fri 3 Nov	CHURCHILL DOWNS	5 1/2 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	—	not run	Yoel Navas	—
Tue 3 Oct	BELTERRA PARK	5 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance Optional Claiming	1	84.0	Yarmarie Correa	120
Thu 7 Sep	BELTERRA PARK	5 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	3	77.0	Yarmarie Correa	118
Thu 31 Aug	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	5 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	7	75.0	Ferrin Peterson	—
Thu 10 Aug	BELTERRA PARK	5 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	2	73.0	Ferrin Peterson	118
Sun 16 Jul	ELLIS PARK	5 1/2 Furlongs · Turf	Pea Patch S.	7	83.0	Ferrin Peterson	118
Sat 24 Jun	HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS	5 Furlongs · Turf	Allowance	7	72.0	Marcelino Pedroza, Jr.	—

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate