Result
official| Horse | Win | Place | Show |
|---|---|---|---|
| 12Bro Bro | $8.60 | $4.20 | $2.80 |
| 25Its a Cinch | — | $3.00 | $2.40 |
| 39Double Jab | — | — | $6.20 |
| Pool | Finish | On | Paid |
|---|---|---|---|
| Exacta | 2-5 | $1.00 | $12.10 |
| Trifecta | 2-5-9 | $1.00 | $117.80 |
| Superfecta | 2-5-9-8 | $0.10 | $115.32 |
1Chromeflash195d off122 lbLMirco Demuro57.99930/124/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 4.8
- Middle
- 3.9
- Finish
- 5.3
- Post draw
- 14.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 57.9
- Career best · average
- 100.0 · 87.0
- Class, average · last
- 99 · 102
- Power
- 81.9 · 8th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $5,885.33
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Mirco Demuro
- Trainer
- Paula Capestro 2/15
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 195d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 30 Aug | DEL MAR | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 12 | 79.0 | Serafin Carmona | 123 |
| Sat 2 Aug | DEL MAR | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 11 | 73.0 | Jose Valdivia, Jr. | 123 |
| Sat 5 Apr | SANTA ANITA | About 6 1/2 Furlongs · Downhill turf | Allowance | 11 | 86.0 | Jose Valdivia, Jr. | 122 |
| Sat 8 Mar | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 3 | 930.0 | Jose Valdivia, Jr. | 122 |
| Sun 2 Feb | SANTA ANITA | About 6 1/2 Furlongs · Downhill turf | Allowance | 3 | 980.0 | Jose Valdivia, Jr. | 122 |
| Sat 4 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 2 | 100.0 | Jose Valdivia, Jr. | 122 |
| Sat 23 Nov | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 5 | 99.0 | Jose Valdivia, Jr. | 120 |
| Sun 27 Oct | SANTA ANITA | About 6 1/2 Furlongs · Downhill turf | Allowance | 5 | 90.0 | Jose Valdivia, Jr. | 119 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
2Bro Bro124 lbLAntonio Fresu56.2947/223/7
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 2.8
- Middle
- 2.7
- Finish
- 3.9
- Post draw
- 15.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 56.2
- Career best · average
- 99.0 · 87.0
- Class, average · last
- 94 · 99
- Power
- 96.8 · 4th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Antonio Fresu
- Trainer
- Doug O'Neill 19/112
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 27d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 14 Feb | SANTA ANITA | About 6 1/2 Furlongs · Downhill turf | Allowance | 5 | 94.0 | Armando Ayuso | — |
| Thu 15 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 3 | 99.0 | Umberto Rispoli | 124 |
| Thu 1 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | — | not run | Tiago Pereira | — |
| Sat 24 May | SANTA ANITA | 1 1/8 Miles · Turf | Snow Chief S. presented by City National Bank | 8 | not run | Umberto Rispoli | 122 |
| Sun 11 May | SANTA ANITA | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 1 | 91.0 | Umberto Rispoli | 122 |
| Sat 5 Apr | SANTA ANITA | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Echo Eddie S. | 5 | 58.0 | Mario Gutierrez | 120 |
| Fri 21 Mar | SANTA ANITA | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 3 | 85.0 | Mario Gutierrez | 122 |
| Sat 15 Feb | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 920.0 | Mario Gutierrez | 122 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
3Frank Bullitt122 lbLCristobal Herrera56.2956/19/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.9
- Middle
- 3.8
- Finish
- 3.7
- Post draw
- 13.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 56.2
- Career best · average
- 95.0 · 90.0
- Class, average · last
- 95 · 99
- Power
- 95.1 · 5th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Cristobal Herrera
- Trainer
- Debbie Winick 0/4
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 27d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 14 Feb | SANTA ANITA | About 6 1/2 Furlongs · Downhill turf | Allowance | 2 | 95.0 | Cristobal Herrera | — |
| Sat 10 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 7 | 95.0 | William Pyle | 122 |
| Fri 28 Nov | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 4 | 98.0 | Tyler Baze | 120 |
| Fri 24 Oct | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 9 | 74.0 | Tyler Baze | 120 |
| Sat 4 Oct | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | — | not run | Tyler Baze | 120 |
| Fri 5 Sep | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 5 | 99.0 | Tyler Baze | 119 |
| Mon 17 Feb | SANTA ANITA | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 2 | 86.0 | Tyler Baze | 122 |
| Sun 19 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 3 | 86.0 | Tyler Baze | 122 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
4Dynodave122 lbLTiago Pereira53.98730/176/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 7.9
- Middle
- 6.4
- Finish
- 4.9
- Post draw
- 12.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.9
- Career best · average
- 83.0 · 77.0
- Class, average · last
- 87 · 99
- Power
- 73.5 · 9th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 0-1-0
- Wins
- 0.0%
- Earnings
- $82,980
- Per start
- $6,383.08
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Tiago Pereira
- Trainer
- Charles Treece
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 12d
4yo · Colt · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 1 Mar | SANTA ANITA | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Starter Optional Claiming | 8 | 70.0 | Kyle Frey | 124 |
| Sun 20 Apr | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 3 | 83.0 | Kyle Frey | 122 |
| Fri 4 Apr | SANTA ANITA | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 2 | 870.0 | Kyle Frey | 120 |
| Fri 28 Feb | SANTA ANITA | 1 Mile · Turf | — | 4 | 84.0 | — | — |
| Sat 15 Feb | SANTA ANITA | 1 Mile · Turf | Starter Optional Claiming | 4 | 71.0 | Kyle Frey | 122 |
| Mon 20 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 1 Mile · Turf | Starter Optional Claiming | — | not run | Kyle Frey | 122 |
| Sun 10 Nov | DEL MAR | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 83.0 | Kyle Frey | 120 |
| Fri 18 Oct | SANTA ANITA | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 71.0 | Edgar Payeras | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
5Its a Cinch124 lbLJuan Hernandez57.6974/117/9
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 2.0
- Middle
- 2.2
- Finish
- 4.0
- Post draw
- 11.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 57.6
- Career best · average
- 102.0 · 88.0
- Class, average · last
- 97 · 107
- Power
- 103.4 · 1st in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Juan Hernandez
- Trainer
- Luis Mendez 0/2
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 57d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thu 15 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Claiming | 4 | 102.0 | Edwin Maldonado | 124 |
| Sat 6 Dec | LOS ALAMITOS THOROUGHBRED | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 1 | 100.0 | Edwin Maldonado | 122 |
| Sun 23 Nov | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 90.0 | Edwin Maldonado | 120 |
| Sun 7 Sep | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 9 | 102.0 | Edwin Maldonado | 121 |
| Sat 9 Aug | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 5 | 72.0 | Edwin Maldonado | 124 |
| Fri 27 Jun | LOS ALAMITOS THOROUGHBRED | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 9 | 74.0 | Edwin Maldonado | 120 |
| Sun 1 Jun | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 1 | 95.0 | Edwin Maldonado | 122 |
| Fri 25 Oct | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 92.0 | Edwin Maldonado | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
6Maury Wills122 lbLArmando Ayuso56.7909/223/3
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.6
- Middle
- 3.3
- Finish
- 1.1
- Post draw
- 11.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 56.7
- Career best · average
- 90.0 · 88.0
- Class, average · last
- 90 · 87
- Power
- 97.5 · 3rd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Armando Ayuso
- Trainer
- Philip D'Amato 6/33
- Weight · days off
- 122 · 41d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 31 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 90.0 | Armando Ayuso | 124 |
| Fri 2 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 87.0 | Armando Ayuso | 124 |
| Sun 30 Nov | DEL MAR | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 88.0 | Armando Ayuso | 122 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
7Raging Waters124 lbLTyler Baze56.49930/153
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 4.8
- Middle
- 5.0
- Finish
- 8.2
- Post draw
- 10.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 56.4
- Career best · average
- 87.0 · 86.0
- Class, average · last
- 99 · 105
- Power
- 86.7 · 6th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 1-1-1
- Wins
- 25.0%
- Earnings
- $156,258
- Per start
- $4,735.09
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Tyler Baze
- Trainer
- Steve Knapp 6/36
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 26d
8yo · Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 15 Feb | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Starter Optional Claiming | 7 | 80.0 | Emisael Jaramillo | 122 |
| Fri 16 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 92.0 | Emisael Jaramillo | 122 |
| Sun 7 Dec | LOS ALAMITOS THOROUGHBRED | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 1 | 105.0 | Armando Ayuso | 125 |
| Fri 14 Nov | DEL MAR | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 91.0 | Armando Ayuso | 120 |
| Sat 27 Sep | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Starter Optional Claiming | 6 | 78.0 | Assael Espinoza | — |
| Sun 14 Sep | LOS ALAMITOS THOROUGHBRED | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 91.0 | Assael Espinoza | 125 |
| Sat 6 Sep | DEL MAR | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 87.0 | Assael Espinoza | 120 |
| Sun 17 Aug | DEL MAR | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 9 | 73.0 | William Antongeorgi III | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
8Disko Tribute124 lbLKazushi Kimura57.310415/134/3
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.3
- Middle
- 2.5
- Finish
- 4.2
- Post draw
- 15.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 57.3
- Career best · average
- — · 95.0
- Class, average · last
- 104 · 75
- Power
- 65.7 · 10th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $8,320.97
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Kazushi Kimura
- Trainer
- Craig Dollase
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 20d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 21 Feb | LOS ALAMITOS QUARTER HORSE | 870 Yards · Dirt | Allowance | 4 | 75.0 | Adrian Escobedo | 126 |
| Sat 26 Oct | SANTA ANITA | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Starter Optional Claiming | 3 | 96.0 | Armando Ayuso | 122 |
| Sun 29 Sep | FRESNO | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Harris Farms S. | 2 | 94.0 | Luis Jimenez Aburto | — |
| Sun 8 Sep | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 4 | 100.0 | Umberto Rispoli | 124 |
| Sun 25 Aug | LOS ALAMITOS QUARTER HORSE | 1000 Yards · Dirt | Allowance | — | not run | Erick Garcia | 126 |
| Thu 15 Aug | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 1 | 101.0 | Umberto Rispoli | 124 |
| Sat 3 Aug | DEL MAR | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | California Dreamin' S. | 11 | 84.0 | Edwin Maldonado | 121 |
| Sun 23 Jun | LOS ALAMITOS THOROUGHBRED | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Starter Allowance | 2 | 104.0 | Armando Ayuso | 126 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
9Double Jab124 lbLKent Desormeaux58.11015/112/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 2.5
- Middle
- 2.3
- Finish
- 3.4
- Post draw
- 8.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 58.1
- Career best · average
- 100.0 · 95.0
- Class, average · last
- 101 · 110
- Power
- 86.1 · 7th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Kent Desormeaux
- Trainer
- Andy Mathis
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 20d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 21 Feb | SANTA ANITA | About 6 1/2 Furlongs · Downhill turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 12 | 79.0 | Diego Herrera | 124 |
| Sat 8 Mar | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 1 | 1000.0 | Armando Ayuso | 122 |
| Sat 4 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 4 | 98.0 | Armando Ayuso | 122 |
| Sat 23 Nov | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 2 | 103.0 | Armando Ayuso | 122 |
| Sun 27 Oct | SANTA ANITA | About 6 1/2 Furlongs · Downhill turf | Allowance | 4 | 98.0 | Armando Ayuso | 122 |
| Sun 29 Sep | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 5 | 92.0 | Kent Desormeaux | 122 |
| Sun 25 Aug | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 2 | 97.0 | Kent Desormeaux | 122 |
| Sun 4 Aug | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 5 | 88.0 | Kent Desormeaux | 122 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
10Tiz's Harbor244d off124 lbLAbel Lezcano56.37730/190/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.5
- Middle
- 5.6
- Finish
- 4.4
- Post draw
- 15.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 56.3
- Career best · average
- — · 68.0
- Class, average · last
- 77 · 87
- Power
- 54.8 · 11th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 0-0-0
- Wins
- 0.0%
- Earnings
- $64,251
- Per start
- $5,354.25
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Abel Lezcano
- Trainer
- Isidro Tamayo 2/16
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 244d
4yo · Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 12 Jul | EMERALD DOWNS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 6 | 76.0 | David Haldar | 122 |
| Sun 22 Jun | EMERALD DOWNS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Auburn S. | 4 | 72.0 | David Haldar | 119 |
| Sun 1 Jun | EMERALD DOWNS | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 1 | 81.0 | David Haldar | 119 |
| Sun 11 May | EMERALD DOWNS | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 3 | 74.0 | David Haldar | — |
| Mon 17 Mar | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Starter Allowance | 1 | 74.0 | Kyle Frey | 124 |
| Fri 7 Feb | SANTA ANITA | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Starter Allowance | 3 | 60.0 | Kyle Frey | 122 |
| Sat 7 Dec | PLEASANTON | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Starter Allowance | 5 | 49.0 | William Antongeorgi III | — |
| Sat 23 Nov | PLEASANTON | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 4 | 67.0 | Frank Alvarado | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
11Grazed124 lbLEmisael Jaramillo56.91039/216/3
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.9
- Middle
- 3.7
- Finish
- 3.7
- Post draw
- 3.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 56.9
- Career best · average
- 101.0 · 94.0
- Class, average · last
- 103 · 104
- Power
- 100.6 · 2nd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Emisael Jaramillo
- Trainer
- Peter Miller 1/9
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 57d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thu 15 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 4 | 970.0 | Emisael Jaramillo | 124 |
| Thu 1 Jan | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | — | not run | Emisael Jaramillo | — |
| Sat 6 Dec | LOS ALAMITOS THOROUGHBRED | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 9 | 820.0 | Diego Herrera | 125 |
| Fri 28 Nov | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 2 | 1040.0 | Umberto Rispoli | 124 |
| Sat 8 Nov | DEL MAR | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 5 | 990.0 | Umberto Rispoli | 123 |
| Fri 7 Nov | DEL MAR | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | — | not run | Umberto Rispoli | 124 |
| Sat 4 Oct | SANTA ANITA | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 4 | 1010.0 | Umberto Rispoli | 124 |
| Sat 13 Sep | LOS ALAMITOS THOROUGHBRED | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | — | not run | Abel Lezcano | 123 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate