PARX RACING · Race 8

(plus Up To 40% Pabf) For Three Year Olds And Upward.

←Race 8 of 9→

Result

official
HorseWinPlaceShow
19Indian Defence$26.20$11.60$7.00
24Rapo—$7.40$4.80
35Uncle Dave——$3.40
PoolFinishOnPaid
Exacta9-4—$192.80
Trifecta9-4-5—$139.60
Superfecta9-4-5-7—$295.78
CLAIMING · 1 Mile 70 Yards · Turf · Purse $31,000
HorsePaceSpeedClassEVWinMLLive odds
Mr. Charles——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Mr. Charles.

Uncle Dave——————

Probability

Pace

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Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Uncle Dave.

Indian Defence——————

Probability

Pace

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Finish
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$9,265.17

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Indian Defence.

Broad Axe Bernie——————

Probability

Pace

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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Broad Axe Bernie.

Maximus Meridius——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
21: 3-6-4
Wins
14.3%
Earnings
$145,378
Per start
$6,922.76

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Maximus Meridius.

I. C. Lightning——————

Probability

Pace

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Middle
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Finish
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
33: 5-3-3
Wins
15.2%
Earnings
$139,591
Per start
$4,230.03

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for I. C. Lightning.

Lure of the South——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
79: 9-11-9
Wins
11.4%
Earnings
$264,885
Per start
$3,352.97

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Lure of the South.

Frogman Mel——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Frogman Mel.

Dennis' Diamond——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Dennis' Diamond.

Rest Assured——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Rest Assured.

Stone Crazy——————

Probability

Pace

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Middle
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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Stone Crazy.

Rapo——————

Probability

Pace

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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Rapo.

1Maximus Meridius——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
21: 3-6-4
Wins
14.3%
Earnings
$145,378
Per start
$6,922.76

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 5 AugSUFFOLK DOWNSAbout 7 1/2 Furlongs · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING6690.0——
Sat 5 AugSUFFOLK DOWNSAbout 7 1/2 Furlongs · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING4not run——
Tue 25 JulPARX RACING1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Sat 15 JulPARX RACING7 1/2 Furlongs · TurfALLOWANCE—not run——
Sat 8 JulPARX RACING1 Mile · TurfCLAIMING1860.0——
Sat 8 JulPARX RACING1 Mile · TurfCLAIMING1not run——
Fri 11 NovLAUREL PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE1890.0——
Fri 28 OctLAUREL PARK5 1/2 Furlongs · TurfCLAIMING—not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

2Rest Assured——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Thu 31 AugPENN NATIONAL5 Furlongs · TurfCLAIMING4760.0——
Thu 31 AugPENN NATIONAL5 Furlongs · TurfCLAIMING4not run——
Fri 25 AugPENN NATIONAL1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING—not run——
Wed 16 AugPENN NATIONAL1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING—not run——
Sat 29 JulPARX RACING5 Furlongs · TurfCLAIMING6460.0——
Sat 29 JulPARX RACING5 Furlongs · TurfCLAIMING6not run——
Mon 10 JulDELAWARE PARK7 1/2 Furlongs · TurfCLAIMING6760.0——
Mon 10 JulDELAWARE PARK7 1/2 Furlongs · TurfCLAIMING6not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

3Frogman Mel——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 2 SepSUFFOLK DOWNSAbout 7 1/2 Furlongs · TurfCLAIMING4840.0——
Sat 2 SepSUFFOLK DOWNSAbout 7 1/2 Furlongs · TurfCLAIMING4not run——
Sun 20 AugLAUREL PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfWAIVER CLAIMING—not run——
Wed 16 AugDELAWARE PARK1 1/8 Miles · TurfCLAIMING—not run——
Mon 31 JulPARX RACING1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE4750.0——
Mon 31 JulPARX RACING1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE4not run——
Wed 19 JulDELAWARE PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING3950.0——
Wed 19 JulDELAWARE PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING3not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

4Rapo——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
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Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sun 30 JulMONMOUTH PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING8730.0——
Sun 30 JulMONMOUTH PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING8not run——
Tue 25 JulPARX RACING1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Mon 24 JulSARATOGA1 Mile · TurfCLAIMING—not run——
Sat 8 JulSUFFOLK DOWNSAbout 7 1/2 Furlongs · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING5890.0——
Sat 8 JulSUFFOLK DOWNSAbout 7 1/2 Furlongs · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING5not run——
Tue 13 JunPARX RACINGAbout 1 1/16 Miles · TurfWAIVER CLAIMING1900.0——
Tue 13 JunPARX RACINGAbout 1 1/16 Miles · TurfWAIVER CLAIMING1not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

5Uncle Dave——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
—
Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
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Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Wed 23 AugDELAWARE PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING5650.0——
Wed 23 AugDELAWARE PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING5not run——
Sat 5 AugPENN NATIONAL1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTAKES—not run——
Tue 25 JulPARX RACING1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Mon 17 JulDELAWARE PARK1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfSTARTER ALLOWANCE5880.0——
Mon 17 JulDELAWARE PARK1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfSTARTER ALLOWANCE5not run——
Thu 29 JunDELAWARE PARKAbout 1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING6860.0——
Thu 29 JunDELAWARE PARKAbout 1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING6not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

6Stone Crazy——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
—
Finish
—
Post draw
—

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
—
Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
—
Weight · days off
—

Gelding

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Wed 16 AugDELAWARE PARK1 Mile 70 Yards · DirtCLAIMING5770.0——
Wed 16 AugDELAWARE PARK1 Mile 70 Yards · DirtCLAIMING5not run——
Fri 11 AugLAUREL PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Fri 11 AugLAUREL PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Thu 13 JulDELAWARE PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtCLAIMING5850.0——
Thu 13 JulDELAWARE PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtCLAIMING5not run——
Sat 24 JunPARX RACINGAbout 1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING3910.0——
Sat 24 JunPARX RACINGAbout 1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING3not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

7Lure of the South——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
—
Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
79: 9-11-9
Wins
11.4%
Earnings
$264,885
Per start
$3,352.97

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
—
Weight · days off
—

Gelding

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 19 AugMONMOUTH PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING—not run——
Sat 14 JanPARX RACING7 Furlongs · DirtSTARTER ALLOWANCE9700.0——
Sat 14 JanPARX RACING7 Furlongs · DirtSTARTER ALLOWANCE9not run——
Tue 3 JanPARX RACING1 Mile · DirtSTARTER ALLOWANCE—not run——
Tue 27 DecPARX RACING1 Mile 70 Yards · DirtCLAIMING—not run——
Mon 5 DecPARX RACING1 Mile · DirtCLAIMING3810.0——
Mon 5 DecPARX RACING1 Mile · DirtCLAIMING3not run——
Sat 26 NovPARX RACING1 Mile · DirtSTARTER ALLOWANCE9640.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

8Broad Axe Bernie——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
—
Post draw
—

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
—
Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
—
Weight · days off
—
Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Fri 18 AugLAUREL PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Thu 3 AugPENN NATIONAL1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING1870.0——
Thu 3 AugPENN NATIONAL1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING1not run——
Fri 21 JulPENN NATIONAL1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfCLAIMING3830.0——
Fri 21 JulPENN NATIONAL1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfCLAIMING3not run——
Fri 14 JulPENN NATIONAL1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING—not run——
Fri 23 JunPENN NATIONAL1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfCLAIMING—not run——
Wed 14 JunPENN NATIONAL1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING4680.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

9Indian Defence——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
—
Finish
—
Post draw
—

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
—
Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$9,265.17

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
—
Weight · days off
—
Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Tue 25 JulPARX RACING1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING6770.0——
Tue 25 JulPARX RACING1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING6not run——
Tue 9 AugPARX RACINGAbout 1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE6not run——
Tue 9 AugPARX RACINGAbout 1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE6not run——
Sun 10 JulLAUREL PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING7910.0——
Sun 10 JulLAUREL PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING7not run——
Mon 2 NovPARX RACING1 Mile 70 Yards · DirtALLOWANCE3810.0——
Mon 2 NovPARX RACING1 Mile 70 Yards · DirtALLOWANCE4not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

10I. C. Lightning——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
—
Finish
—
Post draw
—

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
—
Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
33: 5-3-3
Wins
15.2%
Earnings
$139,591
Per start
$4,230.03

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
—
Weight · days off
—

Gelding

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Fri 21 JulPENN NATIONAL1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING3870.0——
Fri 21 JulPENN NATIONAL1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING3not run——
Sat 15 JulMONMOUTH PARK1 Mile · TurfSTARTER HANDICAP—not run——
Sat 1 JulMONMOUTH PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING7800.0——
Sat 1 JulMONMOUTH PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING7not run——
Sat 24 JunPARX RACINGAbout 1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Sun 11 JunLAUREL PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Sat 27 MayPARX RACINGAbout 1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

11Mr. Charles——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
—
Post draw
—

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
—
Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
—
Weight · days off
—
Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Tue 25 JulPARX RACING6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtCLAIMING5620.0——
Tue 25 JulPARX RACING6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtCLAIMING5not run——
Tue 27 JunPARX RACING1 Mile 70 Yards · DirtCLAIMING5690.0——
Tue 27 JunPARX RACING1 Mile 70 Yards · DirtCLAIMING5not run——
Tue 23 MayPARX RACING1 Mile · DirtCLAIMING1810.0——
Tue 23 MayPARX RACING1 Mile · DirtCLAIMING1not run——
Tue 2 MayPARX RACING1 Mile · DirtCLAIMING1830.0——
Tue 2 MayPARX RACING1 Mile · DirtCLAIMING1not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

12Dennis' Diamond——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
—
Finish
—
Post draw
—

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
—
Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
—
Weight · days off
—

Gelding

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Wed 30 AugDELAWARE PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING5810.0——
Wed 30 AugDELAWARE PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING5not run——
Fri 18 AugLAUREL PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING3630.0——
Fri 18 AugLAUREL PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING3not run——
Sat 29 JulDELAWARE PARK1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfCLAIMING1800.0——
Sat 29 JulDELAWARE PARK1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfCLAIMING1not run——
Sat 1 JulDELAWARE PARK6 Furlongs · DirtCLAIMING6590.0——
Sat 1 JulDELAWARE PARK6 Furlongs · DirtCLAIMING6not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

24 running

pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate