Result
official| Horse | Win | Place | Show |
|---|---|---|---|
| 12Saint Peter's Bay | $10.80 | $6.00 | $4.40 |
| 28Scallywag | — | $15.80 | $9.80 |
| 33Duvee | — | — | $7.60 |
| Pool | Finish | On | Paid |
|---|---|---|---|
| Exacta | 2-8 | $1.00 | $84.40 |
| Trifecta | 2-8-3 | $0.50 | $576.35 |
| Superfecta | 2-8-3-5 | $0.10 | $569.39 |
1Whiskey and Easy124 lbLC.J. McMahon52.6847/25/2
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 1.9
- Middle
- 2.1
- Finish
- 5.5
- Post draw
- 11.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.6
- Career best · average
- 68.0 · 61.0
- Class, average · last
- 84 · 80
- Power
- 67.5 · 4th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 0-2-0
- Wins
- 0.0%
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- C.J. McMahon
- Trainer
- Richard Mocklin, Jr. 2/9
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 13d
6yo · Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thu 7 May | EVANGELINE | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 70.0 | C.J. McMahon | — |
| Fri 10 Apr | EVANGELINE | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 68.0 | Kevin Roman | 124 |
| Fri 3 Apr | EVANGELINE | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Kevin Roman | 122 |
| Sat 14 Mar | FAIR GROUNDS | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 78.0 | C.J. McMahon | 121 |
| Sat 28 Feb | FAIR GROUNDS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | C.J. McMahon | 121 |
| Wed 4 Feb | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 68.0 | Vicente Del-Cid | 120 |
| Fri 16 Jan | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 670.0 | Jose Riquelme | 121 |
| Fri 2 Jan | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 7 | 530.0 | Jose Riquelme | 121 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
2Saint Peter's Bay124 lbLJose Rodriguez52.59420/14
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.8
- Middle
- 6.0
- Finish
- 5.2
- Post draw
- 12.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.5
- Career best · average
- 98.0 · 78.0
- Class, average · last
- 94 · 85
- Power
- 62.4 · 9th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Jose Rodriguez
- Trainer
- Isai Gonzalez 1/24
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 125d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thu 15 Jan | DELTA DOWNS | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 8 | 56.0 | Joel Dominguez | 120 |
| Thu 11 Dec | DELTA DOWNS | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 9 | 67.0 | Kevin Roman | 120 |
| Sat 8 Nov | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 84.0 | Vicente Del-Cid | 120 |
| Wed 22 Oct | DELTA DOWNS | 7 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 730.0 | C.J. McMahon | 120 |
| Sat 16 Aug | EVANGELINE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 5 | 710.0 | Colby Hernandez | — |
| Fri 20 Jun | EVANGELINE | 1 Mile · Dirt | Allowance | 4 | 780.0 | Chris Rosier | 120 |
| Wed 14 May | EVANGELINE | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 1 | 980.0 | Chris Rosier | 122 |
| Fri 2 May | EVANGELINE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance | 2 | 870.0 | Chris Rosier | 122 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
3Duvee121 lbLTimothy Thornton50.7849/212/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 1.8
- Middle
- 2.8
- Finish
- 5.4
- Post draw
- 11.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 50.7
- Career best · average
- — · 65.0
- Class, average · last
- 84 · 84
- Power
- 64.5 · 8th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Timothy Thornton
- Trainer
- Sam David, Jr. 4/15
- Weight · days off
- 121 · 21d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed 29 Apr | EVANGELINE | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 60.0 | Timothy Thornton | 122 |
| Sat 14 Mar | FAIR GROUNDS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 1 | 69.0 | Marcelino Pedroza, Jr. | 121 |
| Thu 12 Feb | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 68.0 | Marcelino Pedroza, Jr. | 121 |
| Sun 11 Jan | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | not run | Paco Lopez | 121 |
| Fri 12 Dec | FAIR GROUNDS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Marcelino Pedroza, Jr. | 121 |
| Tue 18 Mar | FAIR GROUNDS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | — | not run | Marcelino Pedroza, Jr. | 121 |
| Sat 15 Mar | FAIR GROUNDS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | — | not run | Marcelino Pedroza, Jr. | — |
| Mon 17 Feb | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 8 | 62.0 | Marcelino Pedroza, Jr. | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
4Mud On My Boots124 lbLJohan Rengifo55.17715/116/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 2.3
- Middle
- 2.1
- Finish
- 4.4
- Post draw
- 13.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 55.1
- Career best · average
- 65.0 · 68.0
- Class, average · last
- 77 · 76
- Power
- 69.0 · 2nd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Johan Rengifo
- Trainer
- Edith Mojica 1/19
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 26d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 24 Apr | EVANGELINE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 72.0 | Jose Rodriguez | 122 |
| Sat 11 Apr | EVANGELINE | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 63.0 | Jose Rodriguez | 122 |
| Thu 22 Jan | DELTA DOWNS | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 72.0 | Jose Rodriguez | 120 |
| Mon 22 Dec | DELTA DOWNS | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 8 | 63.0 | Johan Rengifo | 122 |
| Sat 6 Dec | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 65.0 | Johan Rengifo | 124 |
| Sat 15 Nov | DELTA DOWNS | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 1 | 76.0 | Johan Rengifo | 120 |
| Mon 1 Sep | EVANGELINE | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 63.0 | Jose Rodriguez | 124 |
| Thu 14 Aug | EVANGELINE | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Claiming | 4 | 72.0 | Thomas Pompell | 124 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
5Razor Crest121 lbLEdward Santiago54.9906/18
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 7.4
- Middle
- 7.1
- Finish
- 3.9
- Post draw
- 12.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.9
- Career best · average
- 79.0 · 75.0
- Class, average · last
- 90 · 85
- Power
- 70.4 · 1st in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $4,393.48
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Edward Santiago
- Trainer
- Charles Zenon 0/2
- Weight · days off
- 121 · 12d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 8 May | EVANGELINE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 64.0 | Edward Santiago | — |
| Thu 9 Apr | EVANGELINE | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 8 | 73.0 | Jarred Journet | 119 |
| Sun 15 Mar | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 77.0 | Marcelino Pedroza, Jr. | 121 |
| Sun 11 Jan | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 1 | 610.0 | Marcelino Pedroza, Jr. | 121 |
| Sat 13 Dec | FAIR GROUNDS | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 5 | 860.0 | Marcelino Pedroza, Jr. | 119 |
| Thu 27 Nov | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 4 | 820.0 | Marcelino Pedroza, Jr. | 120 |
| Fri 22 Aug | EVANGELINE | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 3 | 770.0 | Elio Barrera | 122 |
| Fri 25 Jul | EVANGELINE | 1 Mile · Dirt | Allowance | 3 | 730.0 | Elio Barrera | 122 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
6Donegal Moonshine119 lbLJamison Mudd55.1813/15
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 6.2
- Middle
- 6.5
- Finish
- 4.2
- Post draw
- 11.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 55.1
- Career best · average
- — · 73.0
- Class, average · last
- 81 · 76
- Power
- 67.2 · 5th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Jamison Mudd
- Trainer
- Dane Noel 2/29
- Weight · days off
- 119 · 26d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 24 Apr | EVANGELINE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 65.0 | Jamison Mudd | 117 |
| Thu 12 Feb | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 1 | 71.0 | Jamison Mudd | 116 |
| Wed 14 Jan | DELTA DOWNS | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 70.0 | Carlos Perez | 120 |
| Mon 22 Dec | DELTA DOWNS | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance | 8 | 68.0 | Carlos Perez | 120 |
| Sat 6 Dec | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Kevin Roman | 120 |
| Sat 15 Nov | DELTA DOWNS | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 69.0 | Kevin Roman | 120 |
| Wed 21 May | EVANGELINE | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 76.0 | Elio Barrera | 124 |
| Wed 30 Apr | EVANGELINE | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 1 | 85.0 | Elio Barrera | 124 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
7Lo Lo's Laughter124 lbLElio Barrera52.6838/131
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 2.9
- Middle
- 3.0
- Finish
- 5.4
- Post draw
- 11.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.6
- Career best · average
- 77.0 · 67.0
- Class, average · last
- 83 · 83
- Power
- 59.7 · 10th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Elio Barrera
- Trainer
- Cardel Cormier 2/35
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 20d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thu 30 Apr | EVANGELINE | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 55.0 | Joel Dominguez | 122 |
| Thu 9 Apr | EVANGELINE | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Chris Rosier | 120 |
| Wed 4 Feb | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 67.0 | Elio Barrera | 120 |
| Mon 29 Dec | DELTA DOWNS | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 69.0 | Elio Barrera | 120 |
| Wed 3 Dec | DELTA DOWNS | 7 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 770.0 | Elio Barrera | 120 |
| Fri 21 Nov | DELTA DOWNS | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 600.0 | Elio Barrera | — |
| Wed 12 Nov | DELTA DOWNS | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Claiming | 10 | 530.0 | Elio Barrera | 120 |
| Thu 30 Oct | DELTA DOWNS | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 690.0 | Elio Barrera | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
8Scallywag124 lbLCarlos Perez52.58212/120
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 4.2
- Middle
- 4.8
- Finish
- 4.5
- Post draw
- 14.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.5
- Career best · average
- 77.0 · 67.0
- Class, average · last
- 82 · 80
- Power
- 64.6 · 7th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Carlos Perez
- Trainer
- Juan Cano 0/15
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 13d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thu 7 May | EVANGELINE | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 52.0 | Joel Dominguez | — |
| Fri 24 Apr | EVANGELINE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 66.0 | Joel Dominguez | 122 |
| Thu 12 Feb | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 8 | 640.0 | Thomas Pompell | — |
| Fri 30 Jan | DELTA DOWNS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 680.0 | Thomas Pompell | 120 |
| Thu 8 Jan | DELTA DOWNS | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 770.0 | Thomas Pompell | 120 |
| Tue 23 Dec | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 8 | 570.0 | Junior Inirio | — |
| Sat 6 Dec | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 690.0 | Jamison Mudd | 115 |
| Tue 25 Nov | DELTA DOWNS | 7 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 720.0 | Jamison Mudd | 115 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
9Track Ranger124 lbLJoel Dominguez51.08220/110
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 6.4
- Middle
- 6.3
- Finish
- 5.0
- Post draw
- 10.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 51.0
- Career best · average
- 69.0 · 57.0
- Class, average · last
- 82 · 80
- Power
- 52.4 · 11th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $4,334.27
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Joel Dominguez
- Trainer
- Juan Cano 44/200
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 13d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thu 7 May | EVANGELINE | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 7 | 51.0 | Elio Barrera | — |
| Fri 10 Apr | KEENELAND | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | not run | Tyler Gaffalione | 118 |
| Thu 5 Mar | OAKLAWN PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Samuel Camacho, Jr. | 118 |
| Thu 26 Feb | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Starter Allowance | — | not run | Gerardo Corrales | — |
| Fri 2 Jan | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Starter Allowance | 6 | 23.0 | Timothy Thornton | 122 |
| Fri 28 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Tyler Gaffalione | 118 |
| Wed 12 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Claiming | 1 | 84.0 | Francisco Arrieta | 118 |
| Mon 29 Sep | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 1 | 81.0 | Fernando De La Cruz | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
10Dr. Niko124 lbLEmanuel Nieves54.18010/17
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.6
- Middle
- 3.0
- Finish
- 4.4
- Post draw
- 8.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.1
- Career best · average
- 83.0 · 70.0
- Class, average · last
- 80 · 76
- Power
- 66.6 · 6th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 1-0-0
- Wins
- 25.0%
- Earnings
- $37,840
- Per start
- $2,225.88
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Emanuel Nieves
- Trainer
- Alexis Claire 16/57
- Weight · days off
- 124 · 26d
4yo · Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 24 Apr | EVANGELINE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 63.0 | Emanuel Nieves | 122 |
| Fri 27 Feb | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 1 | 75.0 | Emanuel Nieves | 121 |
| Thu 12 Feb | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Emanuel Nieves | 121 |
| Sun 18 Jan | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 61.0 | Paco Lopez | 121 |
| Sun 4 Jan | FAIR GROUNDS | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 700.0 | Paco Lopez | 121 |
| Fri 26 Dec | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 710.0 | Emanuel Nieves | 119 |
| Thu 4 Dec | FAIR GROUNDS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 640.0 | Emanuel Nieves | 119 |
| Fri 24 Oct | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 1 | 830.0 | Emanuel Nieves | 122 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
11Dewclaw121 lbLThomas Pompell53.07615/116
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 4.2
- Middle
- 4.0
- Finish
- 3.6
- Post draw
- 11.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.0
- Career best · average
- 77.0 · 66.0
- Class, average · last
- 76 · 80
- Power
- 67.6 · 3rd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 0-0-1
- Wins
- 0.0%
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Thomas Pompell
- Trainer
- Cardel Cormier
- Weight · days off
- 121 · 33d
4yo · Colt · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 17 Apr | EVANGELINE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 53.0 | Carlos Perez | 124 |
| Thu 12 Feb | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 77.0 | Elio Barrera | — |
| Sat 10 Jan | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 64.0 | Johan Rengifo | 120 |
| Wed 10 Dec | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance | 6 | 71.0 | Johan Rengifo | 119 |
| Fri 14 Nov | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 75.0 | Carlos Perez | 122 |
| Thu 30 Oct | DELTA DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 1 | 74.0 | Carlos Perez | 113 |
| Fri 22 Aug | EVANGELINE | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 60.0 | Carlos Perez | 116 |
| Sat 19 Jul | EVANGELINE | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 1 | 67.0 | Carlos Perez | 116 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate