Result
official| Horse | Win | Place | Show |
|---|---|---|---|
| 11Country Economics | $16.20 | $7.60 | $5.40 |
| 27Go Alice Go | — | $41.00 | $21.00 |
| 311Run Chachy Run | — | — | $7.80 |
| Pool | Finish | On | Paid |
|---|---|---|---|
| Exacta | 1-7 | $1.00 | $195.90 |
| Trifecta | 1-7-11 | $0.50 | $951.80 |
| Superfecta | 1-7-11-5 | $0.10 | $1138.81 |
Claiming5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt · Fast · Purse $15,000
HorsePaceSpeedClassEVWinMLLive odds
1Country Economics116 lbLMarvin Fernandez53.76810/17
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.5
- Middle
- 4.2
- Finish
- 5.3
- Post draw
- 14.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.7
- Career best · average
- 77.0 · 51.0
- Class, average · last
- 68 · 62
- Power
- 54.0 · 4th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Marvin Fernandez
- Trainer
- Jose Juan Vazquez
- Weight · days off
- 116 · 6d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 2 Oct | DELAWARE PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 59.0 | Marvin Fernandez | 115 |
| Fri 25 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 53.0 | Daniel Centeno | 123 |
| Sun 6 Sep | COLONIAL DOWNS | 1 Mile · Inner Track | Claiming | 9 | 62.0 | Kevin Gomez | 123 |
| Sat 29 Aug | COLONIAL DOWNS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 51.0 | Luis Fuenmayor | 115 |
| Fri 31 Jul | COLONIAL DOWNS | 1 Mile · Dirt | — | 3 | 56.0 | — | — |
| Sun 19 Jul | COLONIAL DOWNS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | — | 4 | 39.0 | — | — |
| Thu 9 Jul | COLONIAL DOWNS | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Outer turf | — | 8 | 49.0 | — | — |
| Sat 27 Jun | COLONIAL DOWNS | 6 Furlongs · Outer turf | — | 9 | 47.0 | — | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
2Flee120 lbLVincent Cheminaud52.45910/111
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 4.4
- Middle
- 3.9
- Finish
- 3.6
- Post draw
- 14.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.4
- Career best · average
- 59.0 · 53.0
- Class, average · last
- 59 · 62
- Power
- 53.1 · 5th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Vincent Cheminaud
- Trainer
- Michael Simone
- Weight · days off
- 120 · 6d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 2 Oct | DELAWARE PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 53.0 | Cipriano Gil | 119 |
| Fri 25 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 58.0 | Paco Lopez | 120 |
| Thu 13 Aug | DELAWARE PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 47.0 | Emanuel Rosario | 110 |
| Fri 24 Jul | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | — | 4 | 54.0 | — | — |
| Wed 8 Jul | DELAWARE PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | — | 2 | 61.0 | — | — |
| Wed 10 Jun | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 59.0 | Paco Lopez | 120 |
| Fri 29 May | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 56.0 | Paco Lopez | 119 |
| Mon 11 May | PARX RACING | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 5 | 37.0 | Yedsit Hazlewood | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
3Little Gussie118 lbLCarol Cedeno53.76610/131
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.2
- Middle
- 4.0
- Finish
- 3.2
- Post draw
- 13.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.7
- Career best · average
- 66.0 · 53.0
- Class, average · last
- 66 · 61
- Power
- 49.7 · 7th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $4,118.57
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Carol Cedeno
- Trainer
- Ben Ramos
- Weight · days off
- 118 · 13d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 25 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 7 | 26.0 | Wesley Ho | 120 |
| Sat 12 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 51.0 | Jorge Panaijo | 120 |
| Sat 15 Aug | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 51.0 | Ubardo Casique | 118 |
| Fri 24 Apr | TAMPA BAY | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 50.0 | Samuel Marin | 118 |
| Sat 14 Mar | GULFSTREAM PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 2 | 66.0 | Dylan Davis | 122 |
| Sat 21 Feb | GULFSTREAM PARK | 5 Furlongs · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 2 | 53.0 | Irad Ortiz, Jr. | 122 |
| Fri 2 Jan | GULFSTREAM PARK | 7 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 5 | 43.0 | Joe Bravo | 122 |
| Fri 28 Nov | GULFSTREAM PARK | 1 Mile 70 Yards · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 3 | 63.0 | Joe Bravo | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
4Floy Joyscratched—————7/2—
5Charming Jennie115 lbLEmanuel Rosario53.2696/17/2
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.1
- Middle
- 5.2
- Finish
- 6.2
- Post draw
- 16.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.2
- Career best · average
- 68.0 · 53.0
- Class, average · last
- 69 · 63
- Power
- 56.4 · 3rd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Emanuel Rosario
- Trainer
- Wayne Potts 0/2
- Weight · days off
- 115 · 13d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 25 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 57.0 | Martina Rojas | 118 |
| Sat 5 Sep | MONMOUTH PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 51.0 | Jose Gomez | 120 |
| Sat 22 Aug | MONMOUTH PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 49.0 | Noel Herman | 113 |
| Sun 14 Jun | MONMOUTH PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Noel Herman | 110 |
| Sun 31 May | MONMOUTH PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Felix Vasquez, Jr. | 107 |
| Sun 24 May | MONMOUTH PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Claiming | 8 | 34.0 | Jose Gomez | 115 |
| Sun 17 May | MONMOUTH PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 66.0 | Jose Gomez | 117 |
| Wed 15 Apr | TAMPA BAY | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 7 | 51.0 | Skyler Spanabel | 116 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
6Big Bolt121 lbLShirley Yancapallo Gomocio51.66520/199
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.8
- Middle
- 6.5
- Finish
- 6.6
- Post draw
- 16.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 51.6
- Career best · average
- 44.0 · 29.0
- Class, average · last
- 65 · 63
- Power
- 31.2 · 13th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Shirley Yancapallo Gomocio
- Trainer
- Collie Smith 1/4
- Weight · days off
- 121 · 13d
Mare · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 25 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 2.0 | Barrington Bell | 121 |
| Sat 15 Aug | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 20.0 | Shirley Yancapallo Gomocio | 121 |
| Wed 8 Jul | DELAWARE PARK | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Turf | — | 9 | 50.0 | — | — |
| Wed 24 Jun | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | — | 8 | 18.0 | — | — |
| Wed 10 Jun | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 8 | 30.0 | Shirley Yancapallo Gomocio | 123 |
| Sat 7 Mar | CHARLES TOWN | 4 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 57.0 | Shirley Yancapallo Gomocio | 126 |
| Sat 6 Dec | CHARLES TOWN | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 9 | 16.0 | Maikol Molina | 124 |
| Sat 29 Nov | CHARLES TOWN | 4 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 4 | 44.0 | Misael Molina | 126 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
7Go Alice Go116 lbLNoel Herman53.26020/153
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.2
- Middle
- 3.9
- Finish
- 5.4
- Post draw
- 15.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.2
- Career best · average
- 53.0 · 39.0
- Class, average · last
- 60 · 69
- Power
- 39.3 · 12th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Noel Herman
- Trainer
- James Nicholson, Jr. 1/5
- Weight · days off
- 116 · 13d
Filly · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 25 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Starter Optional Claiming | 7 | 39.0 | Tyrone Carter | 123 |
| Sat 15 Aug | PARX RACING | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 10 | 29.0 | Magglio Sanchez | 112 |
| Sat 8 Aug | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 48.0 | Noel Herman | 116 |
| Fri 24 Jul | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | — | 5 | 53.0 | — | — |
| Wed 8 Jul | PARX RACING | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | — | 5 | 30.0 | — | — |
| Mon 15 Jun | PARX RACING | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Starter Optional Claiming | 4 | 39.0 | Noel Herman | 118 |
| Sat 16 May | PARX RACING | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 38.0 | Noel Herman | 118 |
| Mon 20 Apr | PARX RACING | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 2 | 26.0 | Noel Herman | 118 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
8Citified121 lbLAjhari Williams54.06215/112
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.3
- Middle
- 3.3
- Finish
- 5.0
- Post draw
- 10.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.0
- Career best · average
- 53.0 · 39.0
- Class, average · last
- 62 · 58
- Power
- 48.0 · 9th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Ajhari Williams
- Trainer
- Don Bryant 2/14
- Weight · days off
- 121 · 26d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 12 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 53.0 | Ajhari Williams | 123 |
| Sat 15 Aug | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 51.0 | Ajhari Williams | 123 |
| Fri 31 Jul | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | — | 1 | 47.0 | — | — |
| Sat 3 Jan | CHARLES TOWN | 4 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 4 | 36.0 | Moises Santaella | — |
| Sat 29 Nov | CHARLES TOWN | 4 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 3 | 52.0 | Juan Belisario | 119 |
| Fri 14 Nov | CHARLES TOWN | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 6 | 25.0 | Jose Montano | 124 |
| Mon 13 Oct | MOUNTAINEER | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 4 | 36.0 | Jose Montano | — |
| Sat 4 Oct | CHARLES TOWN | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 7 | 27.0 | Victor Rodriguez | 118 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
9Molly the Cat112 lbLJatniel Ramos54.2609/22
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.6
- Middle
- 3.6
- Finish
- 4.1
- Post draw
- 16.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.2
- Career best · average
- 66.0 · 49.0
- Class, average · last
- 60 · 62
- Power
- 57.7 · 2nd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Jatniel Ramos
- Trainer
- McLean Robertson
- Weight · days off
- 112 · 19d
Filly · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 19 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 66.0 | Joseph Rocco, Jr. | 121 |
| Thu 20 Aug | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 5 | 53.0 | Marvin Fernandez | 110 |
| Sat 25 Jul | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | — | 6 | 47.0 | — | — |
| Sat 4 Jul | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | — | 2 | 60.0 | — | — |
| Sat 20 Jun | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | — | 3 | 64.0 | — | — |
| Thu 30 Oct | HAWTHORNE | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Orlando Mojica | 119 |
| Sun 5 Oct | HAWTHORNE | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 6 | 48.0 | Orlando Mojica | — |
| Thu 4 Sep | HAWTHORNE | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 4 | 25.0 | Israel Hernandez | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
10Kazillion125 lbLJose Betancourt52.26515/145
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 8.9
- Middle
- 7.8
- Finish
- 1.1
- Post draw
- 10.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.2
- Career best · average
- 43.0 · 53.0
- Class, average · last
- 65 · 54
- Power
- 46.1 · 10th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Jose Betancourt
- Trainer
- Clyde Martin, Jr. 1/2
- Weight · days off
- 125 · 15d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed 23 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 43.0 | Jose Betancourt | 124 |
| Sat 29 Aug | DELAWARE PARK | About 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 6 | 62.0 | Jose Betancourt | 123 |
| Wed 9 Apr | KEENELAND | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Ben Curtis | 126 |
| Sun 16 Mar | FAIR GROUNDS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 3 | 67.0 | Jareth Loveberry | 125 |
| Fri 21 Feb | FAIR GROUNDS | About 7 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 60.0 | Felix Astudillo | 120 |
| Sat 25 Jan | FAIR GROUNDS | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 6 | 48.0 | Felix Astudillo | 119 |
| Sun 14 Apr | KEENELAND | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Adam Beschizza | 125 |
| Sun 10 Mar | FAIR GROUNDS | About 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 2 | 69.0 | Thomas Pompell | 125 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
11Run Chachy Run120 lbLPaul Luna53.55712/112
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.5
- Middle
- 5.7
- Finish
- 5.5
- Post draw
- 20.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.5
- Career best · average
- 54.0 · 36.0
- Class, average · last
- 57 · 63
- Power
- 49.0 · 8th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Paul Luna
- Trainer
- Pedro Nazario 10/76
- Weight · days off
- 120 · 13d
Filly · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 25 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 52.0 | Paul Luna | 120 |
| Sat 12 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 53.0 | Paul Luna | 122 |
| Thu 27 Aug | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 54.0 | Paul Luna | 117 |
| Thu 13 Aug | DELAWARE PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Eddie Dominguez | 119 |
| Fri 31 Jul | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | — | 6 | 21.0 | — | — |
| Sat 4 Jul | DELAWARE PARK | 1 Mile · Turf | — | 12 | 11.0 | — | — |
| Thu 28 May | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 4 | 38.0 | Paul Luna | 117 |
| Wed 13 May | DELAWARE PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 27.0 | Paul Luna | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
12Phoebeinwonderland123 lbLJesus Rios54.8786/15/2
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 6.0
- Middle
- 6.6
- Finish
- 6.6
- Post draw
- 22.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.8
- Career best · average
- 72.0 · 71.0
- Class, average · last
- 78 · 77
- Power
- 71.8 · 1st in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $7,553.33
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Jesus Rios
- Trainer
- Jose Gallegos 2/6
- Weight · days off
- 123 · 63d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed 30 Sep | DELAWARE PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Starter Optional Claiming | — | not run | Jesus Rios | 120 |
| Thu 6 Aug | COLONIAL DOWNS | 1 Mile · Inner Track | Claiming | 10 | 58.0 | Samuel Marin | — |
| Sat 6 Jun | DELAWARE PARK | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Turf | Starter Optional Claiming | 4 | 68.0 | Wesley Ho | 122 |
| Sun 26 Apr | TAMPA BAY | 1 Mile · Turf | Claiming | 2 | 83.0 | Wesley Ho | 124 |
| Fri 20 Mar | GULFSTREAM PARK | 5 Furlongs · All Weather Track | Claiming | 4 | 66.0 | Diego Herrera | 126 |
| Thu 19 Feb | GULFSTREAM PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Claiming | 3 | 68.0 | Tyler Gaffalione | 123 |
| Fri 9 Jan | GULFSTREAM PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · All Weather Track | Claiming | 7 | 72.0 | Joel Rosario | 123 |
| Fri 26 Sep | BELMONT AT THE BIG A | 6 Furlongs · Outer turf | Claiming | 2 | 78.0 | Joel Rosario | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
13By My Dreamsscratched—————8/1—
pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate