Result
official| Horse | Win | Place | Show |
|---|---|---|---|
| 18Shiloh's Mistress | $7.22 | $4.10 | $2.80 |
| 26Big Trouble | — | $4.50 | $3.56 |
| 33Bourbon Thief | — | — | $3.52 |
| Pool | Finish | On | Paid |
|---|---|---|---|
| Exacta | 8-6 | — | $13.99 |
| Trifecta | 8-6-3 | — | $25.77 |
| Superfecta | 8-6-3-4 | — | $48.47 |
| Super high five | 8-6-3-4-10 | — | $2879.32 |
Allowance1 1/8 Miles · Turf · Firm · Purse $127,000
HorsePaceSpeedClassEVWinMLLive odds
Bourbon Thief——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Filly
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Bourbon Thief.
Moonlight Gambler——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Colt
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Moonlight Gambler.
1Egyptian Candy118 lbLLuan Machado53.99115/145/2
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 6.0
- Middle
- 5.9
- Finish
- 4.5
- Post draw
- 9.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.9
- Career best · average
- 84.0 · 83.0
- Class, average · last
- 91 · 94
- Power
- 91.0 · 6th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 0-0-0
- Wins
- 0.0%
- Earnings
- $79,620
- Per start
- $6,124.62
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Luan Machado
- Trainer
- Daniel Leitch 1/11
- Weight · days off
- 118 · 26d
5yo · Mare · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 26 Oct | KEENELAND | 1 3/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance | 5 | 850.0 | Luan Machado | 118 |
| Sat 14 Sep | BELMONT AT THE BIG A | 1 3/8 Miles · Turf | Fasig-Tipton Jockey Club Oaks Invitational S. | 10 | 940.0 | Eric Cancel | 122 |
| Sat 24 Aug | ELLIS PARK | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance | 3 | 860.0 | Luan Machado | 118 |
| Sun 7 Jul | ELLIS PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | — | not run | Luan Machado | 120 |
| Fri 5 Jan | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Allowance Optional Claiming | 6 | 650.0 | Luan Machado | 122 |
| Thu 7 Dec | AQUEDUCT | 1 1/8 Miles · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 790.0 | — | — |
| Wed 29 Nov | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 880.0 | Luan Machado | 119 |
| Sat 25 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Luan Machado | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
2Moonlight Gambler118 lbLCristian Torres54.19015/144/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 6.3
- Middle
- 6.1
- Finish
- 3.5
- Post draw
- 15.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.1
- Career best · average
- 100.0 · 84.0
- Class, average · last
- 90 · 106
- Power
- 91.7 · 4th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 0-2-0
- Wins
- 0.0%
- Earnings
- $207,862
- Per start
- $8,314.48
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Cristian Torres
- Trainer
- Ben Colebrook 0/1
- Weight · days off
- 118 · 42d
5yo · Mare · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thu 10 Oct | KEENELAND | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance | 6 | 900.0 | Luan Machado | 118 |
| Thu 5 Sep | KENTUCKY DOWNS | 1 5/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance | 10 | 730.0 | Luan Machado | 118 |
| Sun 21 Jul | ELLIS PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 860.0 | Luan Machado | 118 |
| Sat 15 Jun | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 6 | 740.0 | Luan Machado | 118 |
| Fri 7 Jun | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/8 Miles · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Luan Machado | 118 |
| Thu 9 May | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/8 Miles · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 790.0 | Luan Machado | 118 |
| Fri 5 Apr | KEENELAND | 1 3/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 810.0 | Luan Machado | 120 |
| Wed 21 Feb | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Special Weight | 2 | 760.0 | Luan Machado | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
3Bourbon Thief120 lbLChris Landeros54.0885/147/12
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 7.2
- Middle
- 5.4
- Finish
- 1.2
- Post draw
- 9.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.0
- Career best · average
- 93.0 · 83.0
- Class, average · last
- 88 · 95
- Power
- 87.7 · 7th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Chris Landeros
- Trainer
- Ian Wilkes 9/56
- Weight · days off
- 120 · 19d
Filly · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 2 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/8 Miles · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 900.0 | Chris Landeros | 121 |
| Wed 23 Oct | KEENELAND | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Chris Landeros | 120 |
| Sat 7 Sep | KENTUCKY DOWNS | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 2 | 870.0 | Chris Landeros | 120 |
| Thu 8 Aug | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 4 | 730.0 | Chris Landeros | 121 |
| Fri 3 May | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Irad Ortiz, Jr. | 118 |
| Thu 21 Mar | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Special Weight | 4 | 800.0 | Tyler Conner | 118 |
| Wed 6 Mar | TURFWAY PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · All Weather Track | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Walter Rodriguez | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
4Janey Creed118 lbLRafael Bejarano52.58112/155/2
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 7.9
- Middle
- 6.7
- Finish
- 3.0
- Post draw
- 13.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.5
- Career best · average
- 95.0 · 79.0
- Class, average · last
- 81 · 86
- Power
- 73.1 · 13th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 1-0-0
- Wins
- 25.0%
- Earnings
- $128,550
- Per start
- $10,712.50
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Rafael Bejarano
- Trainer
- Byron Hughes 1/4
- Weight · days off
- 118 · 36d
5yo · Mare · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed 16 Oct | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance | 4 | 74.0 | Fernando Jara | 118 |
| Thu 3 Oct | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Allowance | — | not run | Joseph Bealmear | 113 |
| Thu 13 Jun | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/8 Miles · Turf | Allowance | — | not run | James Graham | 118 |
| Thu 23 May | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/4 Miles · Dirt | Allowance | — | not run | Luis Saez | 118 |
| Thu 25 Apr | KEENELAND | 1 3/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance | 5 | 93.0 | Luis Saez | 118 |
| Thu 21 Mar | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 84.0 | Abel Cedillo | 118 |
| Thu 22 Feb | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Special Weight | 5 | 76.0 | Sonny Leon | 118 |
| Wed 21 Feb | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Sonny Leon | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
5Berna Ditty118 lbLFernando De La Cruz53.88320/168/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 7.2
- Middle
- 6.8
- Finish
- 4.9
- Post draw
- 14.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.8
- Career best · average
- 75.0 · 72.0
- Class, average · last
- 83 · 83
- Power
- 73.0 · 14th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 14: 1-2-0
- Wins
- 7.1%
- Earnings
- $28,992
- Per start
- $2,070.86
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Fernando De La Cruz
- Trainer
- Jeffrey Greenhill 4/32
- Weight · days off
- 118 · 44d
Filly · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 3 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance | — | not run | Fernando De La Cruz | 118 |
| Tue 8 Oct | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Allowance | 2 | 750.0 | Fernando De La Cruz | 118 |
| Tue 17 Sep | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance | 8 | 770.0 | Fernando De La Cruz | 118 |
| Fri 16 Aug | BELTERRA PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 740.0 | Fernando De La Cruz | 119 |
| Sat 20 Jul | BELTERRA PARK | 1 Mile · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 2 | 640.0 | Santo Sanjur | 119 |
| Fri 21 Jun | BELTERRA PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 5 | 710.0 | Fernando De La Cruz | 119 |
| Tue 14 May | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 6 | 540.0 | Alberto Burgos | — |
| Thu 25 Apr | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 4 | 730.0 | Alberto Burgos | 121 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
6Big Trouble118 lbLJaime Torres55.2926/119/5
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 2.4
- Middle
- 3.3
- Finish
- 2.6
- Post draw
- 10.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 55.2
- Career best · average
- — · 89.0
- Class, average · last
- 92 · 95
- Power
- 104.3 · 1st in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 1-3-0
- Wins
- 25.0%
- Earnings
- $398,493
- Per start
- $20,973.32
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Jaime Torres
- Trainer
- Gregory Foley 0/3
- Weight · days off
- 118 · 32d
5yo · Mare · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 20 Oct | KEENELAND | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance | 5 | 900.0 | Lanfranco Dettori | 118 |
| Sun 8 Sep | KENTUCKY DOWNS | 7 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance | 5 | 890.0 | Brian Hernandez, Jr. | 118 |
| Mon 29 Jul | ELLIS PARK | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance | 2 | 960.0 | Brian Hernandez, Jr. | 120 |
| Fri 28 Jun | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance | 2 | 940.0 | Brian Hernandez, Jr. | 118 |
| Thu 6 Jun | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 3 | 950.0 | Brian Hernandez, Jr. | 118 |
| Wed 15 May | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Turf | Horseshoe Indianapolis H. | — | not run | Brian Hernandez, Jr. | — |
| Sat 11 May | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Mamzelle S. | 5 | 930.0 | Brian Hernandez, Jr. | 118 |
| Fri 12 Apr | KEENELAND | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | FanDuel Limestone S. | 4 | 690.0 | Brian Hernandez, Jr. | 118 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
7Hay Stack121 lbLTyler Gaffalione55.0945/213/4
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.1
- Middle
- 4.5
- Finish
- 3.6
- Post draw
- 6.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 55.0
- Career best · average
- 94.0 · 91.0
- Class, average · last
- 94 · 95
- Power
- 91.1 · 5th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $9,328.96
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Tyler Gaffalione
- Trainer
- D. Whitworth Beckman 2/6
- Weight · days off
- 121 · 32d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 20 Oct | KEENELAND | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance | 4 | 910.0 | Irad Ortiz, Jr. | 122 |
| Sat 14 Sep | LAUREL PARK | 6 Furlongs · Turf | Sensible Lady Turf Dash S. | 4 | 840.0 | Jevian Toledo | 120 |
| Thu 25 Jul | SARATOGA | 1 3/8 Miles · Inner turf | Allowance | 3 | 860.0 | Tyler Gaffalione | 123 |
| Fri 28 Jun | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance | 4 | 920.0 | Jareth Loveberry | 124 |
| Sat 27 Apr | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance | 3 | 890.0 | Jareth Loveberry | 125 |
| Sat 23 Mar | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Allowance Optional Claiming | 2 | 920.0 | Jareth Loveberry | 125 |
| Thu 15 Feb | FAIR GROUNDS | 1 Mile · Turf | Allowance | 8 | 860.0 | Joel Rosario | 120 |
| Fri 24 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Mrs. Revere S. | — | not run | Javier Castellano | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
8Shiloh's Mistress118 lbLLuis Saez54.3933/113/5
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 2.9
- Middle
- 2.5
- Finish
- 4.0
- Post draw
- 10.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.3
- Career best · average
- 91.0 · 84.0
- Class, average · last
- 93 · 94
- Power
- 93.8 · 3rd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $22,957.36
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Luis Saez
- Trainer
- Michael Maker 29/176
- Weight · days off
- 118 · 26d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 26 Oct | KEENELAND | 1 3/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance | 3 | 880.0 | Luis Saez | 118 |
| Wed 11 Sep | KENTUCKY DOWNS | 1 5/16 Miles · Turf | Pepsi Dueling Grounds Oaks Invitational S. | 4 | 940.0 | Luis Saez | 121 |
| Sat 20 Jul | DEL MAR | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 4 | 920.0 | Umberto Rispoli | 121 |
| Sat 1 Jun | SANTA ANITA | 1 1/8 Miles · Turf | Honeymoon S. | 7 | 840.0 | Umberto Rispoli | 120 |
| Sat 20 Apr | SANTA ANITA | 1 1/8 Miles · Turf | Providencia S. | 2 | 890.0 | Umberto Rispoli | 120 |
| Sat 9 Mar | SANTA ANITA | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Santa Ysabel S. | 5 | 830.0 | John Velazquez | 120 |
| Fri 16 Feb | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · Synthetic | Allowance Optional Claiming | — | not run | Luan Machado | 122 |
| Wed 10 Jan | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 840.0 | Luan Machado | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
9Parish Lanescratched—————12/1—
10Classy'n Connected118 lbLBrian Hernandez, Jr.55.08115/119/2
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.3
- Middle
- 4.7
- Finish
- 3.0
- Post draw
- 7.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 55.0
- Career best · average
- — · 71.0
- Class, average · last
- 81 · 85
- Power
- 67.4 · 16th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Brian Hernandez, Jr.
- Trainer
- Thomas Drury, Jr. 4/21
- Weight · days off
- 118 · 56d
Mare · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed 13 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Allowance | — | not run | Brian Hernandez, Jr. | 118 |
| Sun 3 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance | — | not run | Luan Machado | 118 |
| Thu 26 Sep | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Starter Allowance | 1 | 900.0 | Brian Hernandez, Jr. | 118 |
| Mon 5 Aug | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 820.0 | Deshawn Parker | 121 |
| Sun 16 Jun | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 2 | 840.0 | Edgar Morales | 120 |
| Sat 25 May | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Edgar Morales | 120 |
| Sat 20 Apr | KEENELAND | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 5 | 620.0 | Edgar Morales | 120 |
| Thu 28 Mar | TURFWAY PARK | 6 Furlongs · All Weather Track | Maiden Special Weight | 2 | 770.0 | Luan Machado | 120 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
11Heart Spin114 lbLIrving Moncada54.6966/134/3
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.6
- Middle
- 5.1
- Finish
- 3.9
- Post draw
- 2.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.6
- Career best · average
- 95.0 · 88.0
- Class, average · last
- 96 · 100
- Power
- 79.7 · 9th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Irving Moncada
- Trainer
- Anna Navarrete 1/4
- Weight · days off
- 114 · 18d
Mare · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 3 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance | 7 | 94.0 | Irving Moncada | 114 |
| Sat 26 Oct | KEENELAND | 1 3/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance | — | not run | Edgar Morales | 122 |
| Sun 20 Oct | KEENELAND | 1 1/2 Miles · Turf | Rood & Riddle Dowager S. | 11 | 76.0 | Edgar Morales | 122 |
| Thu 5 Sep | KENTUCKY DOWNS | 1 5/16 Miles · Turf | Allowance | 2 | 95.0 | Edgar Morales | 122 |
| Sat 27 Jul | ELLIS PARK | 1 1/8 Miles · Turf | Allowance | 3 | 87.0 | Jareth Loveberry | 123 |
| Sat 15 Jun | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 80.0 | Santo Sanjur | 125 |
| Sat 1 Apr | TURFWAY PARK | 6 1/2 Furlongs · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Joseph Rocco, Jr. | 120 |
| Sat 11 Mar | TURFWAY PARK | 6 Furlongs · All Weather Track | Maiden Special Weight | 6 | 72.0 | Joseph Rocco, Jr. | 118 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
12Irish Patsyscratched—————8/1—
13Spicy Italianscratched—————20/1—
14Harvey's Princessscratched—————20/1—
15Foreseenscratched—————7/2—
16Wits and Wagersscratched—————4/1—
pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate