CHURCHILL DOWNS · Race 8 · Isaac Murphy Marathon Overnight S.

For Four Year Olds And Upward. Nominations Close Saturday, April 15, 2023 With No Fee. $300 Supplementary Nominations May Be Made At Time Of Entry. $100 To Enter. Weight, 123 Lbs. Non-winners Of A Graded Sweepstakes Over Ten Furlongs Since November 1, Allowed 3 Lbs. Two Races Over Nine Furlongs Since October 30, 5 Lbs. The Field Will Be Limited To 14 If More Than 14 Entries Pass The Entry Box Preference Will Be Given To Graded Stakes Winners, Then Highest 2022-2023 Earnings. Trophy To The Winning Owner. Closed Saturday, April 15, 2023 With 27 Nominations.

←Race 8 of 10→

Result

official
HorseWinPlaceShow
16Warrant$8.62$3.82$2.70
25Red Run—$8.46$4.44
37Next——$2.70
PoolFinishOnPaid
Exacta6-5—$32.71
Trifecta6-5-7—$55.49
Superfecta6-5-7-2—$59.24
Super high five——refunded
Isaac Murphy Marathon Overnight S.1 1/2 Miles · Dirt · Fast · Purse $175,000
HorsePaceSpeedClassEVWinMLLive odds
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Probability

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
11: 2-1-1
Wins
18.2%
Earnings
$76,655
Per start
$6,968.64

Connections and form

Jockey
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Weight · days off
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Filly

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Red Run——————

Probability

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
6: 0-3-0
Wins
0.0%
Earnings
$35,451
Per start
$5,908.50

Connections and form

Jockey
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Weight · days off
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Colt

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Red Run.

Red Run——————

Probability

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
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Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Weight · days off
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Mare

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Red Run.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
31: 3-3-5
Wins
9.7%
Earnings
$2,510
Per start
$80.97

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Colt

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$4,092.38

Connections and form

Jockey
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
2: 0-0-0
Wins
0.0%
Earnings
$250
Per start
$125

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
4: 0-0-3
Wins
0.0%
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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4yo · Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
37: 12-5-6
Wins
32.4%
Earnings
$2,269,084
Per start
$61,326.59

Connections and form

Jockey
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$3,762.56

Connections and form

Jockey
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
13: 2-1-3
Wins
15.4%
Earnings
$14,530
Per start
$1,117.69

Connections and form

Jockey
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Weight · days off
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Colt

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$312.25

Connections and form

Jockey
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Red Run——————

Probability

Pace

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
28: 1-2-3
Wins
3.6%
Earnings
$20,405
Per start
$728.75

Connections and form

Jockey
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Weight · days off
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Filly

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Red Run.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Horse

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
106: 13-14-14
Wins
12.3%
Earnings
$379,931
Per start
$3,584.25

Connections and form

Jockey
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Red Run——————

Probability

Pace

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Career best · average
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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$2,890

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Red Run.

Decision Maker——————

Probability

Pace

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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
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Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Decision Maker.

Calibrate——————

Probability

Pace

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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
45: 2-2-4
Wins
4.4%
Earnings
$22,151
Per start
$492.24

Connections and form

Jockey
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Weight · days off
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Mare

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Calibrate.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Career best · average
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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
11: 0-0-2
Wins
0.0%
Earnings
$15,842
Per start
$1,440.18

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
8: 0-0-0
Wins
0.0%
Earnings
$7,236
Per start
$904.50

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Filly

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Lone Rock——————

Probability

Pace

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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Lone Rock.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Next——————

Probability

Pace

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Finish
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Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
4: 1-1-1
Wins
25.0%
Earnings
$252,710
Per start
$14,865.29

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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6yo · Mare

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Next.

Warrant——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
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Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Warrant.

Warrant——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
—
Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
—
Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$1,672.58

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
—
Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Warrant.

1Lone Rock118 lbRamon Vazquez—1105/215/7

Probability

Pace

Early
3.2
Middle
3.0
Finish
3.0
Post draw
13.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
112.0 · 108.0
Class, average · last
110 · 98
Power
108.7 · 1st in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
Ramon Vazquez
Trainer
Robertino Diodoro 3/27
Weight · days off
118 · 30d

Gelding

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sun 2 AprOAKLAWN PARK1 1/2 Miles · DirtTemperence Hill S.2950.0Ramon Vazquez117
Thu 28 JulSARATOGA1 3/4 Miles · DirtBirdstone S.31090.0——
Sat 11 JunBELMONT PARK1 1/2 Miles · DirtBrooklyn S.31070.0Ramon Vazquez122
Tue 3 MayCHURCHILL DOWNS1 1/2 Miles · DirtSTAKES11120.0——
Sun 3 AprOAKLAWN PARK1 1/2 Miles · DirtSTAKES11120.0——
Sat 12 FebOAKLAWN PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtSTAKES61020.0——
Sat 18 DecOAKLAWN PARK1 1/8 Miles · DirtSTAKES11090.0——
Sat 6 NovDEL MAR1 5/8 Miles · DirtSTAKES11140.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

2Decision Maker118 lbFlorent Geroux53.410415/137/2

Probability

Pace

Early
7.3
Middle
7.0
Finish
2.6
Post draw
13.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
53.4
Career best · average
— · 95.0
Class, average · last
104 · 104
Power
91.0 · 5th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
Florent Geroux
Trainer
Thomas Van Berg 6/17
Weight · days off
118 · 37d

Gelding

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sun 26 MarOAKLAWN PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtStarter Allowance4980.0Francisco Arrieta123
Sat 4 MarOAKLAWN PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtStarter Allowance21020.0Francisco Arrieta124
Sat 21 JanOAKLAWN PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming3940.0——
Sat 12 NovCHURCHILL DOWNS1 1/8 Miles · DirtStarter Allowance6770.0Florent Geroux122
Sun 23 OctSANTA ANITA1 Mile · TurfMaiden Claiming5720.0——
Sun 23 OctKEENELAND1 1/16 Miles · TurfAllowance10910.0——
Fri 30 SepCHURCHILL DOWNS1 1/8 Miles · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming11030.0——
Sat 17 SepLOS ALAMITOS THOROUGHBRED1 Mile · DirtMaiden Special Weight980.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

3Calibrate118 lbFrancisco Arrieta53.59812/122/3

Probability

Pace

Early
6.2
Middle
5.4
Finish
3.1
Post draw
13.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
53.5
Career best · average
96.0 · 86.0
Class, average · last
98 · 98
Power
76.0 · 7th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$12,694.40

Connections and form

Jockey
Francisco Arrieta
Trainer
Coty Rosin 4/9
Weight · days off
118 · 30d
Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sun 2 AprOAKLAWN PARK1 1/2 Miles · DirtTemperence Hill S.1960.0Francisco Arrieta117
Mon 13 MarWILL ROGERS1 Mile · DirtHandicap1880.0Floyd Wethey Jr.126
Sun 29 JanOAKLAWN PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming5940.0Gabriel Saez121
Sat 7 JanOAKLAWN PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming7790.0——
Sun 20 NovHAWTHORNE1 Mile 70 Yards · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming1970.0——
Fri 28 OctHAWTHORNE1 Mile 70 Yards · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming6290.0——
Thu 25 AugCANTERBURY PARK1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfAllowance Optional Claiming2910.0——
Wed 27 JulCANTERBURY PARK6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtAllowance1950.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

4Scarlet Fusionscratched—————2/1—
5Red Run118 lbTyler Gaffalione52.79712/113/1

Probability

Pace

Early
4.5
Middle
4.3
Finish
3.2
Post draw
13.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
52.7
Career best · average
— · 89.0
Class, average · last
97 · 104
Power
89.3 · 6th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$17,920.63

Connections and form

Jockey
Tyler Gaffalione
Trainer
Michael Maker 25/153
Weight · days off
118 · 25d
Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Fri 7 AprOAKLAWN PARK1 Mile · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming394.0David Cabrera118
Sun 12 MarOAKLAWN PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtClaiming297.0Ricardo Santana, Jr.121
Mon 5 SepKENTUCKY DOWNS1 5/16 Miles · TurfBig Ass Fans Dueling Grounds Derby1077.0——
Sat 30 JulELLIS PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfAllowance Optional Claiming390.0——
Sat 2 JulCHURCHILL DOWNS1 1/16 Miles · DirtAmerican Derby395.0Tyler Gaffalione118
Sat 4 JunCHURCHILL DOWNS1 1/8 Miles · TurfAudubon S.485.0Julien Leparoux118
Sat 7 MayCHURCHILL DOWNS1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTAKES695.0Brian Hernandez, Jr.—
Sat 2 AprTURFWAY PARK1 1/8 Miles · All Weather TrackSTAKES882.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

6Warrant118 lbFlavien Prat53.410810/110/3

Probability

Pace

Early
4.3
Middle
3.8
Finish
4.1
Post draw
12.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
53.4
Career best · average
108.0 · 101.0
Class, average · last
108 · 98
Power
102.8 · 2nd in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
19: 5-6-4
Wins
26.3%
Earnings
$1,102,833
Per start
$58,043.84

Connections and form

Jockey
Flavien Prat
Trainer
Brad Cox 13/37
Weight · days off
118 · 30d

Horse

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sun 2 AprOAKLAWN PARK1 1/2 Miles · DirtTemperence Hill S.3940.0Flavien Prat117
Sat 4 MarSANTA ANITA1 1/4 Miles · DirtSanta Anita H. presented by Yaamava' Resort & Casino8880.0Flavien Prat121
Thu 26 JanFAIR GROUNDS1 Mile 70 Yards · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming1980.0——
Sat 9 JulPRAIRIE MEADOWS1 1/8 Miles · DirtPrairie Meadows Cornhusker H.31050.0——
Sat 11 JunBELMONT PARK1 1/2 Miles · DirtBrooklyn S.21080.0——
Sat 23 AprKEENELAND1 1/8 Miles · DirtSTAKES41040.0——
Sat 5 MarSANTA ANITA1 1/4 Miles · DirtSTAKES21070.0——
Sat 22 JanFAIR GROUNDS1 1/16 Miles · DirtSTAKES31050.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

7Next123 lbLuan Machado54.11048/511/8

Probability

Pace

Early
1.8
Middle
1.8
Finish
4.0
Post draw
11.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
54.1
Career best · average
96.0 · 89.0
Class, average · last
104 · 105
Power
93.5 · 4th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
24: 13-0-1
Wins
54.2%
Earnings
$1,336,361
Per start
$55,681.71

Connections and form

Jockey
Luan Machado
Trainer
William Cowans 18/60
Weight · days off
123 · 179d

Gelding

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Fri 4 NovKEENELAND1 5/8 Miles · DirtThoroughbred Aftercare Alliance S.11010.0——
Thu 8 SepDELAWARE PARK1 1/2 Miles · DirtCape Henlopen S.1960.0Luan Machado120
Sat 16 JulELLIS PARK1 1/8 Miles · TurfAllowance Optional Claiming4850.0——
Fri 20 MayCHURCHILL DOWNS1 1/8 Miles · TurfClaiming1920.0——
Sat 16 AprKEENELAND7 Furlongs · DirtALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING9590.0John Velazquez—
Thu 10 MarTURFWAY PARK——4960.0——
Fri 3 DecTURFWAY PARK1 Mile · All Weather TrackALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING4970.0——
Sat 11 SepKENTUCKY DOWNS6 1/2 Furlongs · TurfSTAKES11850.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

33 running · 1 scratched

pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate