Result
official| Horse | Win | Place | Show |
|---|---|---|---|
| 19Happy Hour Bobby | $11.20 | $5.80 | $3.60 |
| 24Lemon Meringue | — | $4.40 | $3.20 |
| 35Jonny B Goney | — | — | $3.80 |
| Pool | Finish | On | Paid |
|---|---|---|---|
| Exacta | 9-4 | — | $21.00 |
| Trifecta | 9-4-5 | — | $70.30 |
| Superfecta | 9-4-5-3 | — | $35.16 |
Lemon Meringue——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Gelding
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Lemon Meringue.
Palace Attained——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $2,276.24
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Palace Attained.
Lemon Meringue——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 18: 2-4-2
- Wins
- 11.1%
- Earnings
- $52,561
- Per start
- $2,920.06
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Filly
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Lemon Meringue.
Cinco Majestic——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 3: 0-0-0
- Wins
- 0.0%
- Earnings
- $400
- Per start
- $133.33
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Gelding
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Cinco Majestic.
Lemon Meringue——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Filly
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Lemon Meringue.
Lemon Meringue——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Colt
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Lemon Meringue.
Cinco Majestic——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $99.50
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Cinco Majestic.
1Palace Attained123 lbLLuis Fuentes54.5775/120/3
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.6
- Middle
- 8.9
- Finish
- 8.9
- Post draw
- 14.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.5
- Career best · average
- — · 61.0
- Class, average · last
- 77 · 65
- Power
- 65.4 · 2nd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Luis Fuentes
- Trainer
- Larry Donlin 5/8
- Weight · days off
- 123 · 24d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thu 8 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 67.0 | Luis Fuentes | 124 |
| Thu 25 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 6 | 70.0 | Sofia Barandela | 124 |
| Sat 6 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 5 | 40.0 | Serafin Carmona | 119 |
| Sun 16 Jun | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 76.0 | Fausto Da Silva | 124 |
| Sun 26 May | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 4 | 59.0 | Fausto Da Silva | 122 |
| Mon 25 Sep | PRAIRIE MEADOWS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Kylee Jordan | 118 |
| Sat 16 Sep | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Daylor Berrios-Lopez | 114 |
| Sun 9 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 8 | not run | Israel Hernandez | 119 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
2Cinco Majestic119 lbLAlfredo Barajas55.4746/127/2
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.5
- Middle
- 3.6
- Finish
- 5.9
- Post draw
- 16.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 55.4
- Career best · average
- 73.0 · 63.0
- Class, average · last
- 74 · 71
- Power
- 64.2 · 4th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 1-0-2
- Wins
- 25.0%
- Earnings
- $75,826
- Per start
- $1,944.26
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Alfredo Barajas
- Trainer
- Miguel Silva 13/115
- Weight · days off
- 119 · 21d
5yo · Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 11 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 390.0 | Serafin Carmona | 114 |
| Thu 11 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Claiming | 2 | 730.0 | Alfredo Barajas | 117 |
| Sun 23 Jun | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 670.0 | Alfredo Barajas | 119 |
| Sun 9 Jun | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 680.0 | Alfredo Barajas | 119 |
| Sun 26 May | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 7 | 330.0 | Alfredo Barajas | 119 |
| Fri 10 May | LONE STAR | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 780.0 | Rene Diaz | — |
| Thu 18 Apr | LONE STAR | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 700.0 | Rene Diaz | — |
| Sat 9 Mar | SAM HOUSTON | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Claiming | 8 | 650.0 | Rene Diaz | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
3Jackson Action123 lbLEduardo Gallardo54.8725/22
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 4.1
- Middle
- 4.4
- Finish
- 4.7
- Post draw
- 12.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.8
- Career best · average
- 73.0 · 64.0
- Class, average · last
- 72 · 74
- Power
- 62.5 · 5th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Eduardo Gallardo
- Trainer
- Joel Berndt 17/61
- Weight · days off
- 123 · 15d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 17 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 10 | 490.0 | Eduardo Gallardo | 124 |
| Sat 17 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 7 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Eduardo Gallardo | — |
| Sat 27 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 810.0 | Eduardo Gallardo | 124 |
| Sat 29 Jun | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 680.0 | Constantino Roman | 124 |
| Sun 16 Jun | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 620.0 | Constantino Roman | 124 |
| Sun 26 May | CANTERBURY PARK | 7 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 9 | 580.0 | Franklin Ceballos | 124 |
| Wed 16 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Carlos Ulloa | 124 |
| Sat 29 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 710.0 | Carlos Ulloa | 124 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
4Lemon Meringue114 lbLSerafin Carmona55.2718/133/8
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.8
- Middle
- 5.8
- Finish
- 5.2
- Post draw
- 12.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 55.2
- Career best · average
- 71.0 · 54.0
- Class, average · last
- 71 · 74
- Power
- 67.4 · 1st in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 4: 0-0-0
- Wins
- 0.0%
- Earnings
- $103,701
- Per start
- $2,880.58
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Serafin Carmona
- Trainer
- Miguel Silva 1/11
- Weight · days off
- 114 · 15d
5yo · Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 17 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 72.0 | Alfredo Barajas | 119 |
| Sat 17 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 7 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Alfredo Barajas | — |
| Thu 25 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 1 Mile · Turf | Claiming | 3 | 81.0 | Serafin Carmona | 114 |
| Thu 11 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Claiming | 3 | 70.0 | Serafin Carmona | 112 |
| Fri 10 May | LONE STAR | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 8 | 45.0 | Jose Alvarez | — |
| Sun 18 Feb | OAKLAWN PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 46.0 | Emmanuel Esquivel | 120 |
| Fri 22 Dec | FAIR GROUNDS | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance Optional Claiming | 11 | 33.0 | James Graham | 117 |
| Tue 24 Oct | HORSESHOE INDIANAPOLIS | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 67.0 | Rene Diaz | 121 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
5Jonny B Goney119 lbLLuis Valenzuela54.5776/116/3
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 2.5
- Middle
- 2.1
- Finish
- 3.9
- Post draw
- 14.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.5
- Career best · average
- — · 60.0
- Class, average · last
- 77 · 71
- Power
- 54.0 · 7th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 13: 1-1-2
- Wins
- 7.7%
- Earnings
- $42,116
- Per start
- $3,239.69
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Luis Valenzuela
- Trainer
- Joel Berndt 0/16
- Weight · days off
- 119 · 21d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 11 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 640.0 | Luis Valenzuela | 119 |
| Wed 3 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance | 4 | 590.0 | Eduardo Gallardo | 119 |
| Sun 9 Jun | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance | 2 | 760.0 | Eduardo Gallardo | 119 |
| Sat 18 May | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance | 5 | 690.0 | Eduardo Gallardo | 119 |
| Sat 9 Sep | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Northern Lights Futurity | 3 | 530.0 | Ademar Santos | 120 |
| Sat 26 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 640.0 | Eduardo Gallardo | — |
| Thu 10 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 4 | 410.0 | Luis Valenzuela | 118 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
6R Voo's Taboo123 lbLFausto Da Silva52.47315/157/2
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.3
- Middle
- 4.0
- Finish
- 5.8
- Post draw
- 11.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.4
- Career best · average
- 66.0 · 43.0
- Class, average · last
- 73 · 71
- Power
- 42.8 · 8th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 28: 1-5-6
- Wins
- 3.6%
- Earnings
- $53,388
- Per start
- $1,906.71
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Fausto Da Silva
- Trainer
- Ronald Westermann 1/6
- Weight · days off
- 123 · 21d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 11 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 80.0 | Constantino Roman | 124 |
| Thu 11 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Claiming | 5 | 660.0 | Fausto Da Silva | 122 |
| Thu 27 Jun | CANTERBURY PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 7 | not run | Guillermo Rodriguez | 124 |
| Sun 9 Jun | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance | 8 | not run | Franklin Ceballos | 124 |
| Sat 9 Sep | CANTERBURY PARK | 7 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance | 5 | 650.0 | Daylor Berrios-Lopez | 118 |
| Wed 16 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 710.0 | Eduardo Gallardo | 124 |
| Sat 29 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 640.0 | Eduardo Gallardo | 124 |
| Sat 15 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 2 | 640.0 | Eduardo Gallardo | 124 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
7Justin Azteca123 lbLRoberto Morales54.78310/159/6
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.1
- Middle
- 5.5
- Finish
- 4.9
- Post draw
- 12.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.7
- Career best · average
- — · 63.0
- Class, average · last
- 83 · 86
- Power
- 56.2 · 6th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 19: 1-8-2
- Wins
- 5.3%
- Earnings
- $45,760
- Per start
- $2,408.42
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Roberto Morales
- Trainer
- Valorie Lund 0/3
- Weight · days off
- 123 · 8d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 24 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance | 8 | 560.0 | Roberto Morales | 124 |
| Thu 15 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Allowance | 6 | 310.0 | Fausto Da Silva | 124 |
| Thu 1 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance | 4 | 570.0 | Serafin Carmona | 119 |
| Tue 2 May | TURF PARADISE | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 2 | 810.0 | Allyssa Morales | 121 |
| Mon 17 Apr | TURF PARADISE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 2 | 800.0 | Glenn Corbett | 121 |
| Tue 14 Mar | TURF PARADISE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 3 | 810.0 | Glenn Corbett | 121 |
| Mon 27 Feb | TURF PARADISE | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance Optional Claiming | 2 | 810.0 | Glenn Corbett | 121 |
| Sat 28 Jan | TURF PARADISE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | ATBA Three Year Old Sales S. | 5 | 620.0 | Israel Hernandez | 122 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
8Not a Dance123 lbLCalvin Wolff53.96615/139
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 6.3
- Middle
- 6.7
- Finish
- 4.8
- Post draw
- 10.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.9
- Career best · average
- — · 42.0
- Class, average · last
- 66 · 63
- Power
- 41.1 · 9th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Calvin Wolff
- Trainer
- Perry Wolff 0/13
- Weight · days off
- 123 · 56d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 7 Jul | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 210.0 | Calvin Wolff | 124 |
| Sun 9 Jun | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 500.0 | Calvin Wolff | 124 |
| Wed 13 Sep | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 8 | 420.0 | Calvin Wolff | 123 |
| Mon 4 Sep | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Lindey Wade | 123 |
| Thu 24 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 560.0 | Lindey Wade | 124 |
| Sat 19 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Lindey Wade | 124 |
| Fri 11 Aug | PRAIRIE MEADOWS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Elvin Gonzalez | 124 |
| Fri 4 Aug | SARATOGA | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | — | 690.0 | — | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
9Happy Hour Bobby123 lbLAlonso Quinonez54.8834/123/5
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.0
- Middle
- 2.6
- Finish
- 7.8
- Post draw
- 8.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.8
- Career best · average
- 74.0 · 56.0
- Class, average · last
- 83 · 74
- Power
- 64.9 · 3rd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Alonso Quinonez
- Trainer
- Ryan Kenney 0/2
- Weight · days off
- 123 · 15d
Gelding · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 17 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 710.0 | Alonso Quinonez | 124 |
| Sat 17 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 7 1/2 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Alonso Quinonez | — |
| Thu 1 Aug | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 750.0 | Alonso Quinonez | 124 |
| Sat 29 Jun | PRAIRIE MEADOWS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 130.0 | Ken Tohill | 123 |
| Sat 8 Jun | CANTERBURY PARK | 5 Furlongs · Turf | Claiming | 8 | 650.0 | Luis Fuentes | 124 |
| Thu 22 Feb | TURFWAY PARK | 5 Furlongs · All Weather Track | Starter Allowance | 5 | 520.0 | Fernando De La Cruz | 120 |
| Sat 10 Feb | TURFWAY PARK | 6 Furlongs · All Weather Track | Claiming | 7 | 670.0 | Rogelio Miranda | — |
| Sat 30 Dec | MAHONING VALLEY RACE COURSE | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Allowance | 7 | 150.0 | Guillermo Rodriguez | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate