AQUEDUCT · Race 5 · Allowance

Outer Turf For Three Year Olds And Upward Foaled In New York State And Approved By The New York State-bred Registry Which Have Never Won $18,000 Other Than Maiden, Claiming Or Starter Or Which Have Never Won Two Races. Three Year Olds, 120 Lbs.; Older, 126 Lbs. Non-winners Of A Race Other Than Claiming Or Starter In 2023 - 2024 Allowed 2 Lbs. (if No Three Year Olds Are Entered, Starting Weight Shall Be 122 Lbs).

Race 5 of 8

Result

official
HorseWinPlaceShow
111Icy Flavor$9.70$4.40$3.80
26Russi$3.90$3.20
32Allied Attack$8.00
PoolFinishOnPaid
Exacta11-6$13.60
Trifecta11-6-2$65.00
Superfecta11-6-2-5$120.70
Allowance6 Furlongs · Outer turf · Firm · Purse $72,000
HorsePaceSpeedClassEVWinMLLive odds
Runningwscissors

Probability

Pace

Early
Middle
Finish
Post draw

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
Career best · average
Class, average · last
Power

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
2: 0-0-0
Wins
0.0%
Earnings
$50
Per start
$25

Connections and form

Jockey
Trainer
Weight · days off

Filly

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Runningwscissors.

Pleasant as Pie

Probability

Pace

Early
Middle
Finish
Post draw

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
Career best · average
Class, average · last
Power

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
9: 2-1-0
Wins
22.2%
Earnings
$75,465
Per start
$8,385

Connections and form

Jockey
Trainer
Weight · days off

Mare

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Pleasant as Pie.

Li'l Lang

Probability

Pace

Early
Middle
Finish
Post draw

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
Career best · average
Class, average · last
Power

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
Trainer
Weight · days off
Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Li'l Lang.

Big Prankster

Probability

Pace

Early
Middle
Finish
Post draw

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
Career best · average
Class, average · last
Power

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$1,095.46

Connections and form

Jockey
Trainer
Weight · days off
Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Big Prankster.

Big Prankster

Probability

Pace

Early
Middle
Finish
Post draw

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
Career best · average
Class, average · last
Power

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
Trainer
Weight · days off
Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Big Prankster.

Kreesa

Probability

Pace

Early
Middle
Finish
Post draw

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
Career best · average
Class, average · last
Power

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
Trainer
Weight · days off
Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Kreesa.

Russi

Probability

Pace

Early
Middle
Finish
Post draw

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
Career best · average
Class, average · last
Power

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
24: 3-2-3
Wins
12.5%
Earnings
$105,334
Per start
$4,388.92

Connections and form

Jockey
Trainer
Weight · days off

Mare

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Russi.

Li'l Lang

Probability

Pace

Early
Middle
Finish
Post draw

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
Career best · average
Class, average · last
Power

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
Trainer
Weight · days off

Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Li'l Lang.

Li'l Lang

Probability

Pace

Early
Middle
Finish
Post draw

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
Career best · average
Class, average · last
Power

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$4,328.51

Connections and form

Jockey
Trainer
Weight · days off
Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Li'l Lang.

Financial District

Probability

Pace

Early
Middle
Finish
Post draw

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
Career best · average
Class, average · last
Power

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$5,852.77

Connections and form

Jockey
Trainer
Weight · days off
Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Financial District.

1Financial District118 lbLFrancisco Martinez52.17350/151/1

Probability

Pace

Early
8.1
Middle
8.1
Finish
5.7
Post draw
14.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
52.1
Career best · average
62.0 · 55.0
Class, average · last
73 · 83
Power
78.2 · 2nd in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$3,514.67

Connections and form

Jockey
Francisco Martinez
Trainer
Angel Sanchez-Pinero
Weight · days off
118 · 7d

L

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 13 AprAQUEDUCT1 Mile · DirtAllowance4690.0Eliseo Ruiz118
Mon 25 MarPARX RACING6 Furlongs · DirtStarter Optional Claiming5520.0Andrew Wolfsont118
Wed 6 MarPARX RACING6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtStarter Optional Claimingnot runJean Aguilar111
Sun 14 JanAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Claiming1460.0Ruben Silvera120
Wed 3 JanPARX RACING6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Claiming3540.0Eliseo Ruiz116
Tue 28 NovPARX RACING6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Claiming3450.0Eliseo Ruiz114
Thu 9 NovAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · Outer turfMaiden Special Weightnot runTrevor McCarthy119
Fri 22 SepBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · Outer turfMaiden Special Weight11570.0Luis Rivera, Jr.114

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

2Allied Attack120 lbLManuel Franco52.67812/151/4

Probability

Pace

Early
2.6
Middle
3.3
Finish
4.6
Post draw
13.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
52.6
Career best · average
— · 53.0
Class, average · last
78 · 79
Power
55.7 · 12th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$3,002.70

Connections and form

Jockey
Manuel Franco
Trainer
Michael Maker 21/114
Weight · days off
120 · 41d

L

Past performances
6 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sun 10 MarAQUEDUCT6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming5500.0Jose Gomez122
Sun 28 JanAQUEDUCT6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtRego Park S.not runIsaac Castillo
Thu 18 JanAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight1730.0Dylan Davis120
Fri 29 DecAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight3630.0Isaac Castillo119
Sat 18 NovAQUEDUCT6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight4570.0Irad Ortiz, Jr.119
Sat 5 AugSARATOGA1 Mile · DirtMaiden Special Weight7180.0Irad Ortiz, Jr.119

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

3Image of Quality124 lbEric Cancel54.08815/129/1

Probability

Pace

Early
7.3
Middle
5.5
Finish
7.3
Post draw
8.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
54.0
Career best · average
75.0 · 55.0
Class, average · last
88 · 91
Power
62.1 · 9th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
18: 3-0-2
Wins
16.7%
Earnings
$46,114
Per start
$2,561.89

Connections and form

Jockey
Eric Cancel
Trainer
Chris Englehart 3/20
Weight · days off
124 · 161d

Gelding

Past performances
7 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 11 NovAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · Outer turfAllowance8750.0Javier Castellano118
Fri 20 OctBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · DirtAllowancenot runJavier Castellano118
Fri 29 SepBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · Outer TrackAllowancenot runJavier Castellano118
Sat 23 SepBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · Outer TrackAllowancenot runJavier Castellano118
Sat 26 AugSARATOGA5 1/2 Furlongs · DirtAllowancenot runFlavien Prat118
Thu 17 AugSARATOGA5 1/2 Furlongs · DirtStarter Allowance8160.0Manuel Franco120
Sat 22 JulWOODBINE5 1/2 Furlongs · All Weather TrackMaiden Optional Claiming1740.0Jodeien Anderson120

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

4Big Prankster120 lbDylan Davis54.9823/113/6

Probability

Pace

Early
4.5
Middle
3.6
Finish
1.8
Post draw
15.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
54.9
Career best · average
70.0 · 73.0
Class, average · last
82 · 85
Power
68.5 · 6th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$8,943.39

Connections and form

Jockey
Dylan Davis
Trainer
Christophe Clement 18/83
Weight · days off
120 · 140d
Past performances
5 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sun 21 JanAQUEDUCT6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtRego Park S.not runRuben Silvera
Sat 2 DecAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight177.0Ruben Silvera119
Sat 18 NovAQUEDUCT6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight272.0Joel Rosario119
Wed 4 OctBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · Outer turfMaiden Special Weight270.0Joel Rosario119
Sun 1 OctBELMONT AT THE BIG A1 Mile · DirtAllowancenot runJoel Rosario

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

5Li'l Lang118 lbLLane Luzzi52.57412/158/3

Probability

Pace

Early
2.4
Middle
1.9
Finish
4.1
Post draw
10.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
52.5
Career best · average
— · 60.0
Class, average · last
74 · 80
Power
78.1 · 3rd in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
Lane Luzzi
Trainer
Jorge Abreu 1/4
Weight · days off
118 · 30d

L

Past performances
4 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Thu 21 MarAQUEDUCT6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtStarter Optional Claiming3800.0Lane Luzzi120
Fri 23 FebAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Claiming1740.0Lane Luzzi120
Thu 18 JanAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight9350.0Romero Maragh120
Fri 29 DecAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight4620.0Manuel Franco119

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

6Russi126 lbLJavier Castellano56.1839/219/6

Probability

Pace

Early
4.8
Middle
4.8
Finish
1.8
Post draw
13.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
56.1
Career best · average
82.0 · 72.0
Class, average · last
83 · 91
Power
77.0 · 5th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
Javier Castellano
Trainer
H. James Bond 1/9
Weight · days off
126 · 161d

L

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 11 NovAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · Outer turfAllowance382.0Junior Alvarado120
Mon 4 SepSARATOGA5 1/2 Furlongs · TurfMaiden Special Weight178.0Joel Rosario121
Thu 17 AugSARATOGA5 1/2 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight284.0Luis Saez119
Sat 12 AugMONMOUTH PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfAllowance Optional Claiming960.0
Sun 16 JulLAUREL PARK1 Mile · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming3690.0
Fri 14 JulSARATOGA5 1/2 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight269.0Luis Saez119
Sat 1 JulMONMOUTH PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfAllowance1910.0
Sat 27 MayDELAWARE PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfAllowance2860.0

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

7Slammin Gold120 lbLKendrick Carmouche54.7807

Probability

Pace

Early
3.8
Middle
3.2
Finish
4.5
Post draw
8.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
54.7
Career best · average
— · 58.0
Class, average · last
80 · 78
Power
53.0 · 13th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
6: 1-1-0
Wins
16.7%
Earnings
$59,014
Per start
$9,835.67

Connections and form

Jockey
Kendrick Carmouche
Trainer
John Kimmel 4/26
Weight · days off
120 · 92d

Colt · L

Past performances
5 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Fri 19 JanAQUEDUCT1 Mile · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming6360.0Kendrick Carmouche120
Fri 15 DecAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming5700.0Kendrick Carmouche
Sat 4 NovAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight1730.0Kendrick Carmouche119
Thu 5 OctBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight2620.0Kendrick Carmouche119
Thu 14 SepBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight6480.0Jose Ortiz

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

8Please Be Nice126 lbLKatie Davis53.88620/193/2

Probability

Pace

Early
4.1
Middle
5.1
Finish
6.3
Post draw
8.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
53.8
Career best · average
— · 63.0
Class, average · last
86 · 88
Power
56.1 · 11th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$6,129.88

Connections and form

Jockey
Katie Davis
Trainer
William Mott 0/8
Weight · days off
126 · 27d

L

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sun 24 MarAQUEDUCT7 Furlongs · DirtAllowance8680.0Katie Davis
Sat 23 MarAQUEDUCT7 Furlongs · DirtAllowancenot runKatie Davis123
Sun 11 FebAQUEDUCT7 Furlongs · DirtAllowance5520.0Manuel Franco
Sat 13 JanAQUEDUCT6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtAllowance8570.0Jose Lezcano123
Mon 20 FebAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming4680.0Jose Lezcano
Sat 7 JanAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight1860.0
Sun 1 JanAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtStarter Optional Claiming1860.0
Sun 27 NovCHURCHILL DOWNS6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Claiming1820.0

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

9Sandrone119 lbLEliseo Ruiz57.69112/127/1

Probability

Pace

Early
2.1
Middle
2.1
Finish
4.5
Post draw
4.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
57.6
Career best · average
90.0 · 79.0
Class, average · last
91 · 85
Power
77.1 · 4th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$6,329.25

Connections and form

Jockey
Eliseo Ruiz
Trainer
Kevin Bond
Weight · days off
119 · 149d

L

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Thu 23 NovWOODBINE5 1/2 Furlongs · All Weather TrackOptional Claiming577.0Patrick Husbands122
Fri 20 OctBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · DirtAllowancenot runLuis Rivera, Jr.118
Thu 31 AugSARATOGA5 1/2 Furlongs · DirtClaimingnot runJaime Torres117
Thu 20 JulSARATOGA5 1/2 Furlongs · TurfStarter Allowance579.0Luis Saez122
Sat 13 MayBELMONT PARK6 Furlongs · Inner turfAllowance484.0Jaime Torres120
Sat 15 AprAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · Outer turfAllowance390.0Jaime Torres
Sat 26 NovAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtAllowance657.0
Sun 30 OctBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · Outer turfAllowance486.0

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

10Kreesa126 lbLJose Gomez56.28812/159/2

Probability

Pace

Early
6.1
Middle
6.5
Finish
4.1
Post draw
7.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
56.2
Career best · average
88.0 · 73.0
Class, average · last
88 · 91
Power
68.0 · 7th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
17: 2-2-0
Wins
11.8%
Earnings
$144,352
Per start
$8,491.29

Connections and form

Jockey
Jose Gomez
Trainer
Linda Dixon 0/2
Weight · days off
126 · 161d

Gelding · L

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sun 24 MarGULFSTREAM PARK6 Furlongs · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming6900.0
Sat 24 FebGULFSTREAM PARK6 Furlongs · DirtGulfstream Park Sprint S.2920.0
Mon 15 JanMAHONING VALLEY RACE COURSE6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight1590.0
Sat 30 DecMAHONING VALLEY RACE COURSE6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight3350.0
Thu 14 DecMAHONING VALLEY RACE COURSE6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight4310.0
Wed 29 NovMAHONING VALLEY RACE COURSE6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight2540.0
Tue 14 NovMAHONING VALLEY RACE COURSE6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Special Weight3440.0
Sat 11 NovAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · Outer turfAllowance6770.0Jose Gomez122

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

11Icy Flavor124 lbLJose Lezcano55.5924/123/6

Probability

Pace

Early
1.6
Middle
1.6
Finish
4.0
Post draw
8.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
55.5
Career best · average
83.0 · 84.0
Class, average · last
92 · 90
Power
85.9 · 1st in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
15: 3-4-1
Wins
20.0%
Earnings
$160,350
Per start
$10,690

Connections and form

Jockey
Jose Lezcano
Trainer
John Kimmel 0/2
Weight · days off
124 · 56d

Gelding · L

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 24 FebAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtAllowance8not runGokhan Kocakaya120
Sat 27 JanAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtAllowance5760.0Luis Rivera, Jr.
Sat 30 DecAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtAllowance2870.0Luis Rivera, Jr.115
Fri 1 DecAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtAllowance2880.0Kendrick Carmouche120
Sat 11 NovAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · Outer turfAllowance2830.0Manuel Franco120
Fri 20 OctBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · DirtAllowance2860.0Manuel Franco121
Fri 29 SepBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · Outer TrackAllowancenot runManuel Franco122
Fri 1 SepSARATOGA5 1/2 Furlongs · TurfAllowance Optional Claiming10830.0Irad Ortiz, Jr.121

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

12Sinful Dancer124 lbTrevor McCarthy55.78715/122/1

Probability

Pace

Early
2.2
Middle
2.2
Finish
4.4
Post draw
2.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
55.7
Career best · average
86.0 · 81.0
Class, average · last
87 · 94
Power
65.3 · 8th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$7,526.67

Connections and form

Jockey
Trevor McCarthy
Trainer
David Figueroa 0/2
Weight · days off
124 · 162d
Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Fri 15 DecTAMPA BAY1 1/16 Miles · TurfStarter Allowancenot runDaniel Centeno
Fri 10 NovAQUEDUCT6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtAllowance4850.0Trevor McCarthy120
Sun 29 OctBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · DirtAllowance Optional Claiming7760.0Trevor McCarthy121
Fri 20 OctBELMONT AT THE BIG A6 Furlongs · DirtAllowancenot runTrevor McCarthy121
Sat 15 AprAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · Outer turfAllowance4860.0Katie Davis
Sun 4 DecAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtClaiming1830.0
Sun 13 NovAQUEDUCT6 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Claiming1730.0Heman Harkie124
Fri 14 OctBELMONT AT THE BIG A7 Furlongs · DirtMaiden Claiming3620.0

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

13Collected Specialscratched
22 running · 1 scratched

pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate