Sports from the Basement

Result

official

Horse	Win	Place	Show
19Spirit Prince	$7.60	$4.70	$3.20
27Walley World	—	$5.20	$3.60
32Typhoon Fury	—	—	$5.30

Pool	Finish	On	Paid
Exacta	9-7	—	$26.75
Trifecta	9-7-2	—	$103.37
Superfecta	9-7-2-10	—	$96.90

HorsePaceSpeedClassEVWinMLLive odds

Walley World——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 4: 0-0-0
Wins: 0.0%
Earnings: $35,665
Per start: $914.49

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

7yo · Mare

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Walley World.

Wine Collector——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Filly

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Wine Collector.

Day Away——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Day Away.

Walley World——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Walley World.

Quokka——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $66

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Quokka.

Day Away——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Day Away.

Typhoon Fury——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Filly

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Typhoon Fury.

Typhoon Fury——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 36: 3-0-2
Wins: 8.3%
Earnings: $11,900
Per start: $330.56

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Typhoon Fury.

Ruddy Buddy——————

Probability

Pace

Early: —
Middle: —
Finish: —
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: —
Career best · average: —
Class, average · last: —
Power: —

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: —
Trainer: —
Weight · days off: —

Colt

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Ruddy Buddy.

1Wine Collector122 lbAngel Cruz52.97630/181/2

Probability

Pace

Early: 3.3
Middle: 3.3
Finish: 3.2
Post draw: 16.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 52.9
Career best · average: 76.0 · 70.0
Class, average · last: 76 · 72
Power: 72.6 · 10th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 4: 0-1-1
Wins: 0.0%
Earnings: $142,480
Per start: $6,194.78

Connections and form

Jockey: Angel Cruz
Trainer: Rodolfo Sanchez-Salomon 13/82
Weight · days off: 122 · 21d

5yo · Gelding

Past performances

7 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Sat 28 Oct	LAUREL PARK	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Allowance Optional Claiming	1	760.0	Angel Cruz	119
Sat 30 Sep	LAUREL PARK	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Laurel Futurity	4	670.0	Angel Cruz	122
Thu 31 Aug	SARATOGA	1 1/16 Miles · Inner turf	With Anticipation S.	6	720.0	Ricardo Santana, Jr.	122
Sat 19 Aug	DELAWARE PARK	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	6	110.0	—	—
Sat 15 Jul	COLONIAL DOWNS	1 Mile · Inner turf	Maiden Special Weight	1	680.0	Jean Alvelo	—
Fri 16 Jun	LAUREL PARK	4 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	3	620.0	Johan Rosado	120
Fri 26 May	PIMLICO	4 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	5	700.0	Carol Cedeno	120

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

2Typhoon Fury120 lbJavier Castellano54.58310/110/1

Probability

Pace

Early: 2.1
Middle: 2.2
Finish: 1.1
Post draw: 15.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 54.5
Career best · average: — · 69.0
Class, average · last: 83 · 87
Power: 62.1 · 14th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 25: 2-4-4
Wins: 8.0%
Earnings: $158,283
Per start: $6,331.32

Connections and form

Jockey: Javier Castellano
Trainer: George Weaver 9/46
Weight · days off: 120 · 9d

Gelding

Past performances

3 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Thu 9 Nov	AQUEDUCT	6 Furlongs · Outer turf	Maiden Special Weight	8	870.0	Javier Castellano	119
Sun 15 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	2	710.0	Javier Castellano	119
Sat 2 Sep	SARATOGA	7 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	8	590.0	Javier Castellano	119

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

3Sanderson120 lbJorge Ruiz54.97620/142/1

Probability

Pace

Early: 3.5
Middle: 2.7
Finish: 4.3
Post draw: 14.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 54.9
Career best · average: 66.0 · 59.0
Class, average · last: 76 · 72
Power: 64.0 · 12th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $4,633.56

Connections and form

Jockey: Jorge Ruiz
Trainer: H. Motion 18/69
Weight · days off: 120 · 27d

Past performances

3 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Sun 22 Oct	LAUREL PARK	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	1	700.0	Kevin Gomez	122
Sat 30 Sep	DELAWARE PARK	5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	6	450.0	Kevin Gomez	119
Fri 1 Sep	SARATOGA	5 1/2 Furlongs · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	7	680.0	Flavien Prat	119

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

4Uncle Truly120 lbJose Ortiz53.3854/111/3

Probability

Pace

Early: 5.3
Middle: 3.9
Finish: 1.9
Post draw: 8.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 53.3
Career best · average: 86.0 · 84.0
Class, average · last: 85 · 90
Power: 84.7 · 3rd in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: Jose Ortiz
Trainer: Jonathan Thomas 6/21
Weight · days off: 120 · 34d

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Thu 16 Nov	CHURCHILL DOWNS	1 1/16 Miles · Dirt	Starter Allowance	2	930.0	—	—
Fri 3 Nov	CHURCHILL DOWNS	1 Mile · Dirt	Starter Allowance	1	910.0	—	—
Sun 15 Oct	WOODBINE	About 1 Mile · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	1	82.0	Kazushi Kimura	121
Thu 12 Oct	KEENELAND	1 Mile · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Florent Geroux	119
Wed 11 Oct	KEENELAND	1 1/16 Miles · Dirt	Starter Allowance	5	780.0	—	—
Thu 14 Sep	CHURCHILL DOWNS	7 Furlongs · Dirt	Claiming	1	1010.0	—	—
Sat 9 Sep	KENTUCKY DOWNS	1 Mile · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	3	77.0	Declan Cannon	119
Sun 3 Sep	KENTUCKY DOWNS	1 Mile · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Florent Geroux	119

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

5Ruddy Buddy120 lbMario Fuentes55.68430/198/1

Probability

Pace

Early: 5.2
Middle: 5.1
Finish: 4.0
Post draw: 9.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 55.6
Career best · average: — · 61.0
Class, average · last: 84 · 98
Power: 63.2 · 13th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 4: 0-1-0
Wins: 0.0%
Earnings: $139,556
Per start: $5,168.74

Connections and form

Jockey: Mario Fuentes
Trainer: Robert Werneth 6/58
Weight · days off: 120 · 14d

5yo · Horse

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Mon 6 Nov	PARX RACING	1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt	Allowance Optional Claiming	3	750.0	—	—
Sat 4 Nov	AQUEDUCT	6 Furlongs · Outer turf	Atlantic Beach S.	7	80.0	Mario Fuentes	120
Sun 8 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Futurity S.	5	13.0	Mario Fuentes	120
Mon 25 Sep	PARX RACING	1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt	Maiden Claiming	1	780.0	—	—
Sat 9 Sep	COLONIAL DOWNS	5 1/2 Furlongs · Outer turf	Exacta Systems Rosie's S.	5	69.0	Mario Fuentes	—
Wed 23 Aug	PARX RACING	7 1/2 Furlongs · Turf	Maiden Claiming	6	560.0	—	—
Sat 19 Aug	COLONIAL DOWNS	5 1/2 Furlongs · Outer turf	Maiden Special Weight	1	68.0	Mario Fuentes	—
Thu 27 Jul	COLONIAL DOWNS	5 1/2 Furlongs · Outer turf	Maiden Special Weight	3	69.0	Mario Fuentes	—

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

6Works for Mescratched—————8/1—

7Walley World120 lbManuel Franco52.0766/118/5

Probability

Pace

Early: 3.1
Middle: 3.0
Finish: 4.5
Post draw: 14.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 52.0
Career best · average: 75.0 · 65.0
Class, average · last: 76 · 74
Power: 74.4 · 8th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 4: 1-1-0
Wins: 25.0%
Earnings: $252,582
Per start: $18,041.57

Connections and form

Jockey: Manuel Franco
Trainer: Chad Brown 39/167
Weight · days off: 120 · 36d

5yo · Horse

Past performances

5 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Fri 13 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	1	73.0	Manuel Franco	119
Sat 2 Sep	SARATOGA	1 1/16 Miles · Inner turf	Maiden Special Weight	8	47.0	Manuel Franco	119
Fri 25 Aug	SARATOGA	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Flavien Prat	119
Sat 19 Aug	SARATOGA	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Flavien Prat	119
Sat 5 Aug	SARATOGA	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Manuel Franco	119

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

8Quokka120 lbKendrick Carmouche52.58115/150/1

Probability

Pace

Early: 1.8
Middle: 1.8
Finish: 1.0
Post draw: 9.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 52.5
Career best · average: 77.0 · 58.0
Class, average · last: 81 · 80
Power: 76.5 · 6th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $6,834.16

Connections and form

Jockey: Kendrick Carmouche
Trainer: Thomas Albertrani 4/18
Weight · days off: 120 · 23d

Past performances

2 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Thu 26 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	1	770.0	Kendrick Carmouche	119
Thu 28 Sep	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	8	390.0	Kendrick Carmouche	119

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

9Spirit Prince118 lbJoel Rosario53.3847/214/5

Probability

Pace

Early: 3.2
Middle: 3.5
Finish: 3.1
Post draw: 11.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 53.3
Career best · average: 86.0 · 81.0
Class, average · last: 84 · 88
Power: 87.2 · 2nd in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 4: 1-1-1
Wins: 25.0%
Earnings: $258,292
Per start: $18,449.43

Connections and form

Jockey: Joel Rosario
Trainer: Christophe Clement 27/142
Weight · days off: 118 · 21d

5yo · Horse

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Sat 28 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Awad S.	2	81.0	Dylan Davis	118
Thu 26 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Dylan Davis	119
Wed 4 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 1/16 Miles · Outer turf	Pilgrim S.	3	78.0	Joel Rosario	118
Sun 1 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 1/8 Miles · Dirt	Woodward S.	—	not run	Joel Rosario	—
Thu 28 Sep	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Flavien Prat	119
Thu 31 Aug	SARATOGA	1 1/16 Miles · Inner turf	With Anticipation S.	3	78.0	Flavien Prat	118
Fri 25 Aug	SARATOGA	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Manuel Franco	119
Sat 19 Aug	SARATOGA	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Manuel Franco	119

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

10Frontline Warrior120 lbIrad Ortiz, Jr.54.1826/16/1

Probability

Pace

Early: 5.6
Middle: 4.3
Finish: 2.1
Post draw: 4.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 54.1
Career best · average: 80.0 · 76.0
Class, average · last: 82 · 84
Power: 77.9 · 4th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: 9: 1-1-1
Wins: 11.1%
Earnings: $119,887
Per start: $13,320.78

Connections and form

Jockey: Irad Ortiz, Jr.
Trainer: Claude McGaughey III 4/17
Weight · days off: 120 · 37d

Colt

Past performances

5 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Thu 12 Oct	KEENELAND	1 Mile · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	1	870.0	Flavien Prat	119
Sun 3 Sep	KENTUCKY DOWNS	1 Mile · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	2	710.0	Jose Ortiz	119
Sat 2 Sep	KENTUCKY DOWNS	7 Furlongs · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Jose Ortiz	119
Thu 31 Aug	KENTUCKY DOWNS	1 Mile · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Tyler Gaffalione	119
Sat 29 Jul	SARATOGA	1 1/16 Miles · Inner turf	Maiden Special Weight	3	760.0	Jose Ortiz	119

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

11Buffoon (FR)120 lbDylan Davis52.3846/16

Probability

Pace

Early: 4.5
Middle: 4.0
Finish: 3.6
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 52.3
Career best · average: 95.0 · 78.0
Class, average · last: 84 · 91
Power: 101.5 · 1st in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: Dylan Davis
Trainer: Michael Maker 4/36
Weight · days off: 120 · 21d

Colt

Past performances

5 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Sat 28 Oct	KEENELAND	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	1	890.0	Joel Rosario	—
Thu 28 Sep	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Dylan Davis	119
Sat 2 Sep	SARATOGA	1 1/16 Miles · Inner turf	Maiden Special Weight	6	540.0	Dylan Davis	119
Fri 25 Aug	SARATOGA	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Dylan Davis	119
Sat 19 Aug	SARATOGA	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Ruben Silvera	119

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

12Blue Creek120 lbJohn Velazquez53.07520/145/2

Probability

Pace

Early: 8.9
Middle: 8.4
Finish: 3.5
Post draw: 11.0%

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 53.0
Career best · average: 81.0 · 66.0
Class, average · last: 75 · 88
Power: 75.9 · 7th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: not reported

Connections and form

Jockey: John Velazquez
Trainer: Keri Brion 0/1
Weight · days off: 120 · 21d

Gelding

Past performances

5 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Sat 28 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Awad S.	3	76.0	Forest Boyce	120
Sat 30 Sep	LAUREL PARK	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Laurel Futurity	3	69.0	Forest Boyce	122
Sat 9 Sep	COLONIAL DOWNS	1 1/16 Miles · Inner turf	Kitten's Joy S.	10	55.0	Forest Boyce	—
Sat 19 Aug	COLONIAL DOWNS	1 Mile · Inner turf	Maiden Special Weight	1	63.0	Forest Boyce	—
Thu 3 Aug	COLONIAL DOWNS	1 1/16 Miles · Inner turf	Maiden Special Weight	3	58.0	Carol Cedeno	—

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

13Day Away115 lbJose Gomez52.68050/173/1

Probability

Pace

Early: 7.0
Middle: 5.6
Finish: 5.7
Post draw: —

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4: 52.6
Career best · average: 75.0 · 57.0
Class, average · last: 80 · 80
Power: 65.6 · 11th in field

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record: not reported
Wins: —
Earnings: not reported
Per start: $3,035

Connections and form

Jockey: Jose Gomez
Trainer: Gary Contessa 0/1
Weight · days off: 115 · 14d

Past performances

8 prior starts, most recent first
Date	Track	Distance · surface	Class	Finish	Speed	Jockey	Wt
Sat 4 Nov	AQUEDUCT	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	7	650.0	Ruben Silvera	119
Fri 27 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Chelsey Flower S.	—	not run	Jose Gomez	118
Fri 20 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Jose Gomez	119
Sat 14 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Jose Gomez	119
Sun 1 Oct	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 Mile · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	5	290.0	Jose Gomez	119
Sat 30 Sep	BELMONT AT THE BIG A	1 1/16 Miles · Turf	Maiden Special Weight	—	not run	Jose Gomez	—
Thu 31 Aug	SARATOGA	1 1/16 Miles · Inner turf	Maiden Special Weight	6	730.0	Katie Davis	119
Sun 13 Aug	SARATOGA	6 Furlongs · Dirt	Maiden Special Weight	5	590.0	Javier Castellano	119

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

14Pandagatescratched—————5/2—

pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate