AQUEDUCT · Race 8

(up To $14,630 Nysbfoa) For Three Year Olds And Upward Which Have Never Won A Race Other Than Maiden, Claiming, Starter, Or Restricted Or Which Have Never Won Two Races.

←Race 8 of 10→

Result

official
HorseWinPlaceShow
113Mail$3.70$2.40$2.10
21ANorth Ocean—$3.10$2.60
37Idle American——$3.30
PoolFinishOnPaid
Exacta13-1—$8.70
Trifecta13-1-7—$36.00
ALLOWANCE · 1 1/16 Miles · Turf · Purse $77,000
HorsePaceSpeedClassEVWinMLLive odds
Ithastobegeorge——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Colt

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Ithastobegeorge.

Mail——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Mail.

North Ocean——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$9,115.07

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for North Ocean.

Idle American——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Idle American.

Jonrah——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
30: 7-1-5
Wins
23.3%
Earnings
$311,183
Per start
$10,372.77

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances

No prior starts recorded for Jonrah.

1Mighty Ian——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$13,689.23

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Fri 15 NovAQUEDUCT1 Mile · DirtSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING11040.0——
Fri 15 NovAQUEDUCT1 Mile · DirtSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING1not run——
Wed 13 NovLAUREL PARK1 Mile · TurfSTARTER ALLOWANCE—not run——
Sun 6 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Mon 16 SepPARX RACING1 1/16 Miles · DirtSTARTER ALLOWANCE11000.0——
Mon 16 SepPARX RACING1 1/16 Miles · DirtSTARTER ALLOWANCE1not run——
Sat 14 SepBELMONT PARK1 Mile · TurfSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Wed 11 SepBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfCLAIMING—not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

1ANorth Ocean——————

Probability

Pace

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Middle
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Finish
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$9,115.07

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Fri 25 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING4960.0——
Fri 25 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING4not run——
Sat 5 OctBELMONT PARK1 Mile · DirtALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING5920.0——
Sat 5 OctBELMONT PARK1 Mile · DirtALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING5not run——
Wed 2 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE—not run——
Sun 1 SepSARATOGA1 1/8 Miles · DirtALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Sat 31 AugSARATOGA1 3/8 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING3970.0——
Sat 31 AugSARATOGA1 3/8 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING2not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

2Unbridled Logic——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sun 29 SepBELMONT PARK1 Mile · TurfCLAIMING11050.0——
Sun 29 SepBELMONT PARK1 Mile · TurfCLAIMING1not run——
Fri 23 AugSARATOGA1 Mile · TurfCLAIMING2870.0——
Fri 23 AugSARATOGA1 Mile · TurfCLAIMING2not run——
Sat 10 AugSARATOGA1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Wed 22 MayBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING2880.0——
Wed 22 MayBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING2not run——
Thu 7 MarAQUEDUCT1 Mile 70 Yards · DirtSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING3890.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

3The High Priest——————

Probability

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Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Thu 7 NovAQUEDUCT1 1/8 Miles · TurfCLAIMING4860.0——
Thu 7 NovAQUEDUCT1 1/8 Miles · TurfCLAIMING4not run——
Fri 18 OctMEADOWLANDS1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfCLAIMING—not run——
Sat 12 OctPARX RACING1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTAKES—not run——
Sun 29 SepMONMOUTH PARK1 Mile · TurfCLAIMING8710.0——
Sun 29 SepMONMOUTH PARK1 Mile · TurfCLAIMING8not run——
Sat 21 SepPARX RACING1 1/8 Miles · TurfSTARTER HANDICAP—not run——
Fri 13 SepPENN NATIONAL1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfCLAIMING3660.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

4Battle Call——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
31: 2-5-1
Wins
6.5%
Earnings
$50,404
Per start
$1,625.94

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Colt

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 2 NovMEADOWLANDS1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING5940.0——
Sat 2 NovMEADOWLANDS1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING5not run——
Fri 18 OctMEADOWLANDS1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING9780.0——
Fri 18 OctMEADOWLANDS1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING9not run——
Sat 28 SepMONMOUTH PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING6880.0——
Sat 28 SepMONMOUTH PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING6not run——
Sun 15 SepMONMOUTH PARK5 Furlongs · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING8730.0——
Sun 15 SepMONMOUTH PARK5 Furlongs · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING8not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

5Adirondack Dancer——————

Probability

Pace

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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
34: 5-10-5
Wins
14.7%
Earnings
$418,981
Per start
$12,322.97

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Colt

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 9 NovAQUEDUCT1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE41110.0——
Sat 9 NovAQUEDUCT1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE4not run——
Sat 24 AugSARATOGA1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING1950.0——
Sat 24 AugSARATOGA1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING1not run——
Sat 10 AugSARATOGA1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING2920.0——
Sat 10 AugSARATOGA1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTARTER OPTIONAL CLAIMING2not run——
Sun 14 JulBELMONT PARK1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING11080.0——
Sun 14 JulBELMONT PARK1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING1not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

6Cantonic——————

Probability

Pace

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Finish
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 19 OctMEADOWLANDS1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING5960.0——
Sat 19 OctMEADOWLANDS1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING5not run——
Fri 20 SepPENN NATIONAL1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE3960.0——
Fri 20 SepPENN NATIONAL1 Mile 70 Yards · TurfALLOWANCE3not run——
Sat 24 AugSARATOGA1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE7900.0——
Sat 24 AugSARATOGA1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE7not run——
Sat 27 JulSARATOGA1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE3980.0——
Sat 27 JulSARATOGA1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE3not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

7Idle American——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 9 NovAQUEDUCT1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE21120.0——
Sat 9 NovAQUEDUCT1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE2not run——
Sat 19 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTAKES—not run——
Wed 2 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE6970.0——
Wed 2 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE6not run——
Sun 15 SepBELMONT PARK1 1/8 Miles · TurfSTAKES71020.0——
Sun 15 SepBELMONT PARK1 1/8 Miles · TurfSTAKES7not run——
Sat 31 AugSARATOGA1 3/8 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING4880.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

8Middleburg——————

Probability

Pace

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Middle
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Finish
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Wed 23 OctKEENELAND1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE3900.0——
Wed 23 OctKEENELAND1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE4not run——
Sat 30 MarGULFSTREAM PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING2980.0——
Sat 30 MarGULFSTREAM PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING2not run——
Thu 14 FebGULFSTREAM PARK1 Mile · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT1930.0——
Thu 14 FebGULFSTREAM PARK1 Mile · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT1not run——
Sat 9 FebGULFSTREAM PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT—not run——
Sat 12 JanGULFSTREAM PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT7820.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

9Jonrah——————

Probability

Pace

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Finish
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
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Career best · average
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Class, average · last
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Power
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Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
30: 7-1-5
Wins
23.3%
Earnings
$311,183
Per start
$10,372.77

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Gelding

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 9 NovAQUEDUCT1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE51090.0——
Sat 9 NovAQUEDUCT1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE5not run——
Sat 19 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTAKES9960.0——
Sat 19 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTAKES9not run——
Wed 2 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE51000.0——
Wed 2 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE5not run——
Thu 15 AugSARATOGA1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTAKES51070.0——
Thu 15 AugSARATOGA1 1/16 Miles · TurfSTAKES5not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

10Alarmed Ndangerous——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
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Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
$10,161.20

Connections and form

Jockey
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Trainer
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Weight · days off
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Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 9 NovAQUEDUCT1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE81070.0——
Sat 9 NovAQUEDUCT1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE8not run——
Fri 11 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING11020.0——
Fri 11 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING1not run——
Thu 19 SepBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING3970.0——
Thu 19 SepBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING3not run——
Wed 28 AugSARATOGA1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING31030.0——
Wed 28 AugSARATOGA1 Mile · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING3not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

11Mr. Jenney——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
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Post draw
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Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
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Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
—
Weight · days off
—

Colt

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Sat 9 NovAQUEDUCT1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE21120.0——
Sat 9 NovAQUEDUCT1 1/16 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE2not run——
Fri 18 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/8 Miles · TurfALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING—not run——
Fri 20 SepBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT1990.0——
Fri 20 SepBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT1not run——
Fri 23 AugSARATOGA1 1/8 Miles · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT2960.0——
Fri 23 AugSARATOGA1 1/8 Miles · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT2not run——
Sat 27 JulSARATOGA1 3/16 Miles · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT3910.0——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

12Ithastobegeorge——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
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Post draw
—

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
—
Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
—
Weight · days off
—

Colt

Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Fri 1 NovAQUEDUCT7 Furlongs · DirtALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING2990.0——
Fri 1 NovAQUEDUCT7 Furlongs · DirtALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING2not run——
Sat 12 OctBELMONT PARK6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING4990.0——
Sat 12 OctBELMONT PARK6 1/2 Furlongs · DirtALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING4not run——
Sat 14 SepBELMONT PARK7 Furlongs · DirtALLOWANCE4950.0——
Sat 14 SepBELMONT PARK7 Furlongs · DirtALLOWANCE4not run——
Sat 10 AugSARATOGA7 Furlongs · DirtALLOWANCE31030.0——
Sat 10 AugSARATOGA7 Furlongs · DirtALLOWANCE3not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

13Mail——————

Probability

Pace

Early
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Middle
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Finish
—
Post draw
—

Speed and class

Recent form, last 4
—
Career best · average
—
Class, average · last
—
Power
—

Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.

Career

Record
not reported
Wins
—
Earnings
not reported
Per start
not reported

Connections and form

Jockey
—
Trainer
—
Weight · days off
—
Past performances
8 prior starts, most recent first
DateTrackDistance · surfaceClassFinishSpeedJockeyWt
Fri 25 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING21000.0——
Fri 25 OctBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · DirtALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING2not run——
Fri 16 AugMONMOUTH PARK1 Mile · DirtMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT1930.0——
Fri 16 AugMONMOUTH PARK1 Mile · DirtMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT1not run——
Sun 11 AugMONMOUTH PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT—not run——
Wed 12 JunBELMONT PARK1 Mile · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT8700.0——
Wed 12 JunBELMONT PARK1 Mile · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT8not run——
Sat 25 MayBELMONT PARK1 1/16 Miles · TurfMAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT—not run——

Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.

19 running

pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate